Jetstar announces domestic NZ operations
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Granted Freedom was set up to get rid of Kiwi and was the leader and a very succesfull LCC in this part of the world.
I suggest that Zeal320 is no where near a LCC it is Air Nz in disguise with all the associated costs which are hidden.
We will see as time moves on. Jetstar will certainly give AirNz a run for there money.
AirNz have alienated Regional New Zealand by withdrawing of International services which they engineered by shutting down Freedom and increasing fares to a level above those from AKL/WLG/CHC, their excuse iwas competition from AKL/WLG/CHC from other carriers charging low fares. No wonder because they replaced Freedom with a full service model.
Jetstar is a full LCC model and works well.
I Know JetStar will no be serving Regional New Zealand but you can now drive from Regional centers and have a choice as in Australia and get discounted fares.
I suggest that Zeal320 is no where near a LCC it is Air Nz in disguise with all the associated costs which are hidden.
We will see as time moves on. Jetstar will certainly give AirNz a run for there money.
AirNz have alienated Regional New Zealand by withdrawing of International services which they engineered by shutting down Freedom and increasing fares to a level above those from AKL/WLG/CHC, their excuse iwas competition from AKL/WLG/CHC from other carriers charging low fares. No wonder because they replaced Freedom with a full service model.
Jetstar is a full LCC model and works well.
I Know JetStar will no be serving Regional New Zealand but you can now drive from Regional centers and have a choice as in Australia and get discounted fares.
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Was talking today to 2 businessmen who book and fly Qantas for NZ domestic flights (due to international QF relationship) They are NOT happy that flights they have booked in advance will now be operated by Jetstar. They have already experienced this with Jetstar taking over the CHC Tasman routes, and it wasn't a good experience for them.
Whilst Jetconnect wasn't especially profitable, they still had some business contracts and loyalty for being "full service". Now that is gone, they will probably lose their high yield business traffic to Air NZ...domestically and Internationally.
As for Freedom/Zeal...it is no more. The A320 operation AOC is being transferred back to Air NZ and the separate management team disbanded. It was never going to work as they took the (relatively) low cost Freedom operation, and changed all it's cheaper supplier contracts (ground handling/catering/engineering etc) over to the same ones as Air NZ! Only thing cheaper in the end was the Flight Attendants. Waste of money.
Air NZ think they can compete on the domestic and Tasman/Pacific routes with their current product...they don't need to go absolute lowest common denominator.
Personally I hope they are right.
Whilst Jetconnect wasn't especially profitable, they still had some business contracts and loyalty for being "full service". Now that is gone, they will probably lose their high yield business traffic to Air NZ...domestically and Internationally.
As for Freedom/Zeal...it is no more. The A320 operation AOC is being transferred back to Air NZ and the separate management team disbanded. It was never going to work as they took the (relatively) low cost Freedom operation, and changed all it's cheaper supplier contracts (ground handling/catering/engineering etc) over to the same ones as Air NZ! Only thing cheaper in the end was the Flight Attendants. Waste of money.
Air NZ think they can compete on the domestic and Tasman/Pacific routes with their current product...they don't need to go absolute lowest common denominator.
Personally I hope they are right.
Pianokeys
Not sure where you got that gem from. There is the odd one ore two uninformed pratts making noises at the moment but to say that regional New Zealand has been alienated is stretching the truth.
You have always been able to drive. Nothings changed here, compared to OZ far more New Zealanders prefer to fly than drive so I don't see your comparision with OZ as being valid.
AirNz have alienated Regional New Zealand by withdrawing of International services which they engineered by shutting down Freedom and increasing fares to a level above those from AKL/WLG/CHC
you can now drive from Regional centers
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Not correct mate.
That Freedom was pulled from PMR, and the reduced/loss of Tasman flying out of HLZ and DUD is simply because the NZ public did not support it enough. The AirNZ group persevered with and subsequently lost a lot of money from these ports with what had in effect become "spoiler" flights to discourage other carriers. Freedom/Zeal management did a lot of lobbying and talking to the regional councils and business leaders for a long time with the "use it or lose it" message. I know they struggled long and hard the decision to pull out and possibly leave a gap for others.
Remember that Ozjet jumped at the chance to go to PMR. I dont think even one flight was made.
If you had checked the websites (NZ, SJ and others) prior to March last year, you would have seen that Freedom was often not that competitive compared to some of the fares available from the main centres.
Virtually all of Freedoms custom was very price sensitive holidaymakers. Due to Emerites and others, the number of empty seats crossing the Tasman has been staggering and something simply had to give.
There are quite a few other significant reasons also, but your assertions above are not quite right.
That Freedom was pulled from PMR, and the reduced/loss of Tasman flying out of HLZ and DUD is simply because the NZ public did not support it enough. The AirNZ group persevered with and subsequently lost a lot of money from these ports with what had in effect become "spoiler" flights to discourage other carriers. Freedom/Zeal management did a lot of lobbying and talking to the regional councils and business leaders for a long time with the "use it or lose it" message. I know they struggled long and hard the decision to pull out and possibly leave a gap for others.
Remember that Ozjet jumped at the chance to go to PMR. I dont think even one flight was made.
If you had checked the websites (NZ, SJ and others) prior to March last year, you would have seen that Freedom was often not that competitive compared to some of the fares available from the main centres.
Virtually all of Freedoms custom was very price sensitive holidaymakers. Due to Emerites and others, the number of empty seats crossing the Tasman has been staggering and something simply had to give.
There are quite a few other significant reasons also, but your assertions above are not quite right.
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Geez ZUBE!
Shall i resign my command now or should i wait?
I mean, i know Jetstar is going to save the world and all of that, but isn't a cheap kiwi pilot as much a threat to our Jetstar heroes as it is to QF?
Shall i resign my command now or should i wait?
I mean, i know Jetstar is going to save the world and all of that, but isn't a cheap kiwi pilot as much a threat to our Jetstar heroes as it is to QF?
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Whatever happened to the freedom pilots??? Did they keep cmds etc when they went back to Air NZ??? How did the intergration go with the 2 groups???
2. No.
3. Depends who you ask. The answer to 2. above is some of it.
Geez ZUBE!
Shall i resign my command now or should i wait?
I mean, i know Jetstar is going to save the world and all of that, but isn't a cheap kiwi pilot as much a threat to our Jetstar heroes as it is to QF?
Shall i resign my command now or should i wait?
I mean, i know Jetstar is going to save the world and all of that, but isn't a cheap kiwi pilot as much a threat to our Jetstar heroes as it is to QF?
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Air NZ will stay, after they destroy Pac blue and send them home. Jet star will operate against Air NZ, and both will survive. Jet connect will service the Tasman. Whats the big fuss, Apart from nobody earning enough money for what we do.
For those pilots that lose there job at JC, i hope you don't have to pay for a type rating on the airbus...this is the sort of S&^T we have to stand up and say no to..
. A few topics in one post i know...but.
For those pilots that lose there job at JC, i hope you don't have to pay for a type rating on the airbus...this is the sort of S&^T we have to stand up and say no to... A few topics in one post i know...but.
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Here's what is being reported in today's Airline Transport World - my emphasis in bold.
Qantas shifts NZ flying to Jetstar as it continues restructuring
Qantas Group will restructure its New Zealand and China networks as it strives to remain profitable, and CEO Alan Joyce denied speculation that the moves are a portent of things to come on its Australian operations.
From June 10, Qantas flights on New Zealand domestic routes will be taken over by its low-cost subsidiary Jetstar Airways. In addition, the Australian national carrier will quit its Sydney-Beijing (on April 17) and Melbourne-Shanghai (March 31) flights, flagging the weakness in China's economy. The restructure comes two weeks after Qantas Group reported a 65% plunge in its half-year profit to A$216 million ($140.5 million) (ATWOnline, Feb. 5).
The New Zealand changes are seen by some as the start of a trend that will see Jetstar replace the mainline on an increasing number of routes. Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation CEO Derek Sadubin told ATWOnline that, "Without a doubt, Jetstar will take over more Qantas routes. We have already seen evidence of this recently with the Adelaide to Cairns route and you will also see Jetstar operating more regional short-haul international routes."
Joyce told this website yesterday that Jetstar will "grow aggressively but in harmony" with Qantas. He said the Australian and New Zealand operations are not comparable and denied any wholesale takeover of Qantas Australian domestic trunk routes by Jetstar. "Australia is very different and we are making money [on Qantas routes] even in current times. Certainly there will be some more tweaks," he said.
The restructuring also includes the retirement of QF's eight 130-seat 737-300s/-400s, which will reduce capacity by an additional 1%, according to Joyce. Qantas still will operate flights between Australia and New Zealand, occasionally in competition with Jetstar, and will upgrade to new 737-800s with seatback IFE throughout. Jetstar's New Zealand network will comprise Auckland, Christchurch, Wellington and Queenstown. Rotorua no longer will be served.
Late last year, Qantas announced a series of cuts that effectively grounded 10 aircraft (ATWOnline, Nov. 26, 2008). "Instead of growing international routes by 5% we are contracting by 8%," Joyce said.
A Jetstar spokesperson said yesterday that with costs 40% below QF's, the subsidiary is in better shape to respond to market demands for lower fares in difficult economic times.
by Geoffrey Thomas
Qantas shifts NZ flying to Jetstar as it continues restructuring
Qantas Group will restructure its New Zealand and China networks as it strives to remain profitable, and CEO Alan Joyce denied speculation that the moves are a portent of things to come on its Australian operations.
From June 10, Qantas flights on New Zealand domestic routes will be taken over by its low-cost subsidiary Jetstar Airways. In addition, the Australian national carrier will quit its Sydney-Beijing (on April 17) and Melbourne-Shanghai (March 31) flights, flagging the weakness in China's economy. The restructure comes two weeks after Qantas Group reported a 65% plunge in its half-year profit to A$216 million ($140.5 million) (ATWOnline, Feb. 5).
The New Zealand changes are seen by some as the start of a trend that will see Jetstar replace the mainline on an increasing number of routes. Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation CEO Derek Sadubin told ATWOnline that, "Without a doubt, Jetstar will take over more Qantas routes. We have already seen evidence of this recently with the Adelaide to Cairns route and you will also see Jetstar operating more regional short-haul international routes."
Joyce told this website yesterday that Jetstar will "grow aggressively but in harmony" with Qantas. He said the Australian and New Zealand operations are not comparable and denied any wholesale takeover of Qantas Australian domestic trunk routes by Jetstar. "Australia is very different and we are making money [on Qantas routes] even in current times. Certainly there will be some more tweaks," he said.
The restructuring also includes the retirement of QF's eight 130-seat 737-300s/-400s, which will reduce capacity by an additional 1%, according to Joyce. Qantas still will operate flights between Australia and New Zealand, occasionally in competition with Jetstar, and will upgrade to new 737-800s with seatback IFE throughout. Jetstar's New Zealand network will comprise Auckland, Christchurch, Wellington and Queenstown. Rotorua no longer will be served.
Late last year, Qantas announced a series of cuts that effectively grounded 10 aircraft (ATWOnline, Nov. 26, 2008). "Instead of growing international routes by 5% we are contracting by 8%," Joyce said.
A Jetstar spokesperson said yesterday that with costs 40% below QF's, the subsidiary is in better shape to respond to market demands for lower fares in difficult economic times.
by Geoffrey Thomas
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The funny thing about this, is that while scum* pay peanuts to their NZ pilits, see the site for terms and conditions, the Qantas brand sinks and Darths plan comes to fore.
The rot is setting in over both sides of the Tasman and no body will be the better of it.
Pax Vobiscum.
The rot is setting in over both sides of the Tasman and no body will be the better of it.
Pax Vobiscum.
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Qantas pilots undercut by Jetstar Oz, Jetstar Oz being under cut shortly by Jetstar NZ. Crikey if you don't all work together the race is already won by management to slide the salary into the toilet!!!
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Whatever happened to the freedom pilots??? Did they keep cmds etc when they went back to Air NZ??? How did the intergration go with the 2 groups???
1.Mostly they took jobs within AirNZ as S/O's or F/O's. Some buggered off.
2. No.
3. Depends who you ask. The answer to 2. above is some of it.
Freedom pilots brokered a deal whereby they were integrated into Air NZ with positions according to seniority, meaning all Captains lost their commands BUT, they retained Airbus command salaries for a period of up to 6 years (by which time, who knows what will be going on!)
Some F/Os remained on the 'Bus on Air NZ terms and conditions, some took S/Os jobs (but on Airbus money)
Some took leave without pay (offered for up to 5 years) but very few actually "buggered off" ie resigned. In fact I can only think of one.
Overall, it was a surprisingly generous deal.
Whatever happened to the freedom pilots??? Did they keep cmds etc when they went back to Air NZ??? How did the intergration go with the 2 groups???
1.Mostly they took jobs within AirNZ as S/O's or F/O's. Some buggered off.
2. No.
3. Depends who you ask. The answer to 2. above is some of it.
Freedom pilots brokered a deal whereby they were integrated into Air NZ with positions according to seniority, meaning all Captains lost their commands BUT, they retained Airbus command salaries for a period of up to 6 years (by which time, who knows what will be going on!)
Some F/Os remained on the 'Bus on Air NZ terms and conditions, some took S/Os jobs (but on Airbus money)
Some took leave without pay (offered for up to 5 years) but very few actually "buggered off" ie resigned. In fact I can only think of one.
Overall, it was a surprisingly generous deal.
Can anyone explain how Jetstar NZ can be cheaper than JitConnect (apart from the cost of the inflight service). The wages paid for all JitConnect staff , Pilots, Cabin Crew, Engineers, Ramp & Check-in staff etc all being pathetically low. Is Jetstar going to offer even less?
You've used that bait to stir things up too many times - you won't get any bites
AnQrKa
Wait until the troops figure out that this op in NZ is where the 787's will be going!!!!!
Wait until the troops figure out that this op in NZ is where the 787's will be going!!!!!
Can anyone explain how Jetstar NZ can be cheaper than JitConnect
1/ AirNZ would be charging JC top dollar for ground services
2/ JC have two classes instead of one
3/ Older aircraft requiring more maintenance
4/ Basic economies of scale WRT management and ops teams.
5/ No revenue (however small) from in flight and baggage service.