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That licence does not automatically grant you the right to certify for maintenance on the company aircraft you hold the licence on. The company must approve you to do that.
If it happens in Australia, it must be a Qantas thing.
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Singapore, malaysia etc etc give you approval numbers and stamps. Not sure about virgin or other airlines, but EASA you never use your licence number. this is called traceablity. QF have none.
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empire4,
I appreciate your input and answering my questions, however I am now happy that this whole mess is definitely a Qantas thing.
The cases you are talking about now are IF you are to be certifying for aircraft owned by another operator, in the cases you quote a foreign operator, that is entirely different from certifying for aircraft owned by your employer and Aussie registered.
airsupport.
I appreciate your input and answering my questions, however I am now happy that this whole mess is definitely a Qantas thing.
The cases you are talking about now are IF you are to be certifying for aircraft owned by another operator, in the cases you quote a foreign operator, that is entirely different from certifying for aircraft owned by your employer and Aussie registered.
airsupport.
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This guy had the worst attitude towards working on aircraft and talking about aviation that I have ever seen, not ever interested in work fullstop, loved to dish it out but could never take it. This is the story, he could not pass AA ever since casa changed the exam but just could not face his employees that he kept failing, so he started to certify to say yes I am now a LAME and thought he could keep trying to pass AA on the sly and then get through the system without anyone knowing. He admitted to managment that he was embarassed to his workers that he could not pass the exam.
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I dont know of any other RPT airline that has come across so many recent problems with their Eng Dept. I am sure the problems are out there but, whether the root cause is management or floor level, the individuals in the latest hiccupps have to take most of the blame.
Is it just QF or are their others out their?
Is it just QF or are their others out their?
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Here we are again. Someone else it seems posing as a Lame and not getting paid for it. WHY WOULD YOU. Never thought I'd see it twice in my lifetime.
Who is his manager ? Is it the same one involved as the the last guy? Does he know his own employees. Now surely after last time you would have implemented something to prevent a reoccurance. Obviously not. And now they travel down the same path of asking LAMEs on their data base to produce their license. If you are an AME posing as a Lame wouldn't you would slip through the net again. This guy did last time as to Qf he was an Ame on their listing . Are they stupid. Surely his manager must be asked how could this happen again. Theres the gate,thanks for coming . And CASA should be asked the same thing. You are the governing body what steps did you take to prevent a reoccurance?
There was a time at Qf when Quality assurance and Casa would reguarly conduct audits out in the field to ensure people had the right qualifications and were signing paperwork correctly. Can't remember when that happened last. Incompetance from CASA and QF engineering management.
Who is his manager ? Is it the same one involved as the the last guy? Does he know his own employees. Now surely after last time you would have implemented something to prevent a reoccurance. Obviously not. And now they travel down the same path of asking LAMEs on their data base to produce their license. If you are an AME posing as a Lame wouldn't you would slip through the net again. This guy did last time as to Qf he was an Ame on their listing . Are they stupid. Surely his manager must be asked how could this happen again. Theres the gate,thanks for coming . And CASA should be asked the same thing. You are the governing body what steps did you take to prevent a reoccurance?
There was a time at Qf when Quality assurance and Casa would reguarly conduct audits out in the field to ensure people had the right qualifications and were signing paperwork correctly. Can't remember when that happened last. Incompetance from CASA and QF engineering management.
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There was a time at Qf when Quality assurance and Casa would reguarly conduct audits out in the field
$$$ .. Whoops .. Safety First.
Are they stupid
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There have been many good suggestions on modern safe guards that could prevent this ever happening again , Electronic access to quals etc BUT
for mine this could have been prevented if CASA had continued issuing 5 digit License numbers when a license was achieved.
EG in NSW an "N12345" Victoria V12345 Queensland Q12345 etc etc
If you forge or make up your licence number you would stand a much greater chance of being found out short term than the current practice of using your ARN number with an "L" prefix.
Combined with a CASA web access site to confirm Quals Name and Number plus a company issued license number stamp etc LAMEs would not be burdened by this type of embarrassment again
Just a suggestion as I am merely a legacy engineer working on a legacy fleet.
for mine this could have been prevented if CASA had continued issuing 5 digit License numbers when a license was achieved.
EG in NSW an "N12345" Victoria V12345 Queensland Q12345 etc etc
If you forge or make up your licence number you would stand a much greater chance of being found out short term than the current practice of using your ARN number with an "L" prefix.
Combined with a CASA web access site to confirm Quals Name and Number plus a company issued license number stamp etc LAMEs would not be burdened by this type of embarrassment again
Just a suggestion as I am merely a legacy engineer working on a legacy fleet.
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Could this in fact be an insight into the frailties in the system since the "Engineering Rationalization" by the new age "Management Team"?
Is the patient slowly bleeding to death, as he is being patched by only a Band aid?
Are the mice lining up the cheese holes?
Is the patient slowly bleeding to death, as he is being patched by only a Band aid?
Are the mice lining up the cheese holes?
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After 40 years in the game I can understand your 707 license allows you to work on all 707's worldwide. However the 767 and 747 comes with many variations and differences at the request of individual airlines. It has become excruciatingly clear that you just don't get it!
After 40 years in the game I can understand your 707 license allows you to work on all 707's worldwide. However the 767 and 747 comes with many variations and differences at the request of individual airlines. It has become excruciatingly clear that you just don't get it!
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Back in the 1970`s, a Senior LAME forgot to renew his license. When Civil Aviation found out a month or two later, he was taken up to Technical Records and had to resign everything he signed for in that period again in red ink.
Another LAME had got made up a rubber stamp with his license number on it. Told not to use it as all license numbers had to be hand written.
Another LAME had got made up a rubber stamp with his license number on it. Told not to use it as all license numbers had to be hand written.
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"That licence does not automatically grant you the right to certify for maintenance on the company aircraft you hold the licence on. The company must approve you to do that. "
I have never experienced that in some 40 years in the Industry.
If it happens in Australia, it must be a Qantas thing.
"That licence does not automatically grant you the right to certify for maintenance on the company aircraft you hold the licence on. The company must approve you to do that. "
I have never experienced that in some 40 years in the Industry.
If it happens in Australia, it must be a Qantas thing.
Not sure where you've been hiding then........
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Airsupport.
After 40 years in the game I can understand your 707 license allows you to work on all 707's worldwide. However the 767 and 747 comes with many variations and differences at the request of individual airlines. It has become excruciatingly clear that you just don't get it!
After 40 years in the game I can understand your 707 license allows you to work on all 707's worldwide. However the 767 and 747 comes with many variations and differences at the request of individual airlines. It has become excruciatingly clear that you just don't get it!
Sadly I don't have, and never have had a B707 Licence, or a B747 either, however I have (among many others) both B767 and A300 Licences both with multiple engine types, and I have certified for these Aircraft types Worldwide for many years and without needing any of this extra rubbish that seems to be at Qantas and some Foreign Airlines like the QA approvals and stamps etc.
I say again, you will find that these extra approvals and stamps etc are ONLY needed IF one is to be certifying for Aircraft other than those of your Aussie Employer. An Aussie LAME can certify for his/her Employer's Aircraft that he/she is Licenced on by CASA anywhere in the World without ANY extra paperwork. Different OF COURSE if you are asked to certify for Aircraft of another Operator OR for an Aircraft that is not VH registered.
IF you still don't understand then I am truly sorry, but that is how it is.
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Quote:
Quote:
"That licence does not automatically grant you the right to certify for maintenance on the company aircraft you hold the licence on. The company must approve you to do that. "
I have never experienced that in some 40 years in the Industry.
If it happens in Australia, it must be a Qantas thing.
Not sure where you've been hiding then........
Quote:
"That licence does not automatically grant you the right to certify for maintenance on the company aircraft you hold the licence on. The company must approve you to do that. "
I have never experienced that in some 40 years in the Industry.
If it happens in Australia, it must be a Qantas thing.
Not sure where you've been hiding then........