Qantas 747's damaged at Avalon . . .
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Qantas 747's damaged at Avalon . . .
Qantas jets collide at airport
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Two Qantas jumbo jets - including the plane involved in the Manila mid-air explosion last July - have collided while being towed at Avalon.
"Two 747s at our Avalon maintenance base have come into contact with each other during towing this morning," a Qantas spokesman said.
"Both aircraft sustained some damage, the extent of that is still being assessed."
The spokesman confirmed one of the planes was the aircraft that was forced to make an emergency landing earlier this year when its oxygen tank exploded mid-air, blowing a hole in the plane's fuselage.
Repairs to the aircraft involved in the July incident were undertaken in Manila by Boeing, but further work was being done at Avalon.
Those involved in this morning's collision, which occurred about 9.30am, have been stood down pending a full investigation, a Qantas spokesman said.
He said it was too early to determine the cause of the crash.
The airline believes both 747s will be out of action for at least a few days.
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Two Qantas jumbo jets - including the plane involved in the Manila mid-air explosion last July - have collided while being towed at Avalon.
"Two 747s at our Avalon maintenance base have come into contact with each other during towing this morning," a Qantas spokesman said.
"Both aircraft sustained some damage, the extent of that is still being assessed."
The spokesman confirmed one of the planes was the aircraft that was forced to make an emergency landing earlier this year when its oxygen tank exploded mid-air, blowing a hole in the plane's fuselage.
Repairs to the aircraft involved in the July incident were undertaken in Manila by Boeing, but further work was being done at Avalon.
Those involved in this morning's collision, which occurred about 9.30am, have been stood down pending a full investigation, a Qantas spokesman said.
He said it was too early to determine the cause of the crash.
The airline believes both 747s will be out of action for at least a few days.
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Hardly a surprise.
Story I've heard is a wingtip's been towed into the other aircraft's nose. Radome and forward pressure bulkhead, and wing leading edge both damaged.
Well done, Forstaff, and congratulations to the QF strategists who set Avalon up as our Centre of Excellence
Any chance of a photo?
Story I've heard is a wingtip's been towed into the other aircraft's nose. Radome and forward pressure bulkhead, and wing leading edge both damaged.
Well done, Forstaff, and congratulations to the QF strategists who set Avalon up as our Centre of Excellence
Any chance of a photo?
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Get what you pay for is right. When will bean counters learn that in aviation the quick cheap way isn't often the quickest cheapest way, and when will idiot managers have the kahonies to say no to them?
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Settle Down Fellas!
I would remind those posting here that our fellow workers in this industry are involved with this incident. Recriminations aimed at FS and QF help no-one.
Despite the politics of the situation, there are many who earn their living at AVV HM. Calling the place names and saying how bad it is may only hasten the demise of 747 HM in Australia.
Please remember, too, that there are human beings, working people, who are at the centre of this storm, who now have their livelihoods at stake. Please spare a thought for them in their current state of mind.
Despite the politics of the situation, there are many who earn their living at AVV HM. Calling the place names and saying how bad it is may only hasten the demise of 747 HM in Australia.
Please remember, too, that there are human beings, working people, who are at the centre of this storm, who now have their livelihoods at stake. Please spare a thought for them in their current state of mind.
When will bean counters learn that in aviation the quick cheap way isn't often the quickest cheapest way, and when will idiot managers have the kahonies to say no to them?
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here here blackd, I recoil when I read the venom that is posted here at times.Without knowing the circumstances too.
beyond the politics of the avv set up are ordinary workers doing what we do.Plenty of ex qantas/ex AN folks there too.And .. its not as if anyone at a Qantas base never ever dented a jet whilst towing.
If they've made a mistake they will have to suffer the consequences.
beyond the politics of the avv set up are ordinary workers doing what we do.Plenty of ex qantas/ex AN folks there too.And .. its not as if anyone at a Qantas base never ever dented a jet whilst towing.
If they've made a mistake they will have to suffer the consequences.
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What......never had a towing accident in Sydney.......ever? LOL.
Don't know what's happening in our great great country, seems to be a lot of hate and bigitory developing. We have the best place on earth don't screw it up.
Don't know what's happening in our great great country, seems to be a lot of hate and bigitory developing. We have the best place on earth don't screw it up.
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Interesting... when you damage a plane, Qantas spokesman David Cox said workers involved in the incident had been stood down “pending a full investigation”. . When you sell of the company Dixon said the $A11 billion ($US9 billion) deal from the consortium Airline Partners Australia (APA) had been "clouded by emotion", as board members and management stood to make huge personal gains."The real Achilles' heel was that it got very, very emotional -- principally because I and the senior management team were going to earn tens of millions of dollars as part of it. Go figure
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Gotta love the media..
Silly mistake we all agree on, but very minor and has happened many times before i am sure. Funny thing is that the news have just stated that "2 qantas aircraft at Avalon have collided on the RUNWAY ."
Usual media exageration.
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Usual media exageration.
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With one aeroplane having its wing tip smashed and who know's the extent of damage to the wing front spar, and the other plane having its radome smashed off and a hole in the fwd pressure bulkhead - i think the structural damage would be quite extesive.
I have also heard that the plane under tow may have had its nose gear rotated past the 90deg mark, as then the tug slamed on his brake the plane kept on rolling sheering the tow bar
I hope all the people involved had their "Tow Safe" aprovals up to date
I have also heard that the plane under tow may have had its nose gear rotated past the 90deg mark, as then the tug slamed on his brake the plane kept on rolling sheering the tow bar
I hope all the people involved had their "Tow Safe" aprovals up to date
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If they've made a mistake they will have to suffer the consequences.
Does accountability extend to the upper floors as well?
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I'm sure qantas are investigating the incident fully in order to find someone to blame and sack. No blame culture they say! I beg to differ.
This airline is now reaping the benefits of it's past ten years investment into the future of this industry in Australia, Training, Infrastructure, Goodwill it has shown to it's employees.
Of course, I am joking!
While I spare a thought for those involved, I have no sympathy for the company and hope they continue to reap what they sow.
This airline is now reaping the benefits of it's past ten years investment into the future of this industry in Australia, Training, Infrastructure, Goodwill it has shown to it's employees.
Of course, I am joking!
While I spare a thought for those involved, I have no sympathy for the company and hope they continue to reap what they sow.
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I feel for the workers directly involved as someone else said they are only human. Obviously nobody would deliberately do it so it's just an accident/incident that can happen in any industry & does all the time.
The real concern will be QF's handling of this event. I hope the guy/s get a fair hearing but with QF's now continuous media attention I'll bet that QF will do all they can in the publics eyes to show that an individual is/was responsible & not QF's poor track record of the way they treat their workers contractors as well.
Did a B737 conversion to freighter not have a hangar incident some time back? Sh1t happens, as long as no one was hurt it's back to the panel beaters
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The real concern will be QF's handling of this event. I hope the guy/s get a fair hearing but with QF's now continuous media attention I'll bet that QF will do all they can in the publics eyes to show that an individual is/was responsible & not QF's poor track record of the way they treat their workers contractors as well.
Did a B737 conversion to freighter not have a hangar incident some time back? Sh1t happens, as long as no one was hurt it's back to the panel beaters
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Sh1t happens
As 'stuffing-up' is clearly not the sole preserve of contractors, perhaps some of the Qantas ginger-beers should maintain a discrete silence. Have they not heard of the adage that begins 'there for the grace of God.....'?
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anyone in the know willing to shed some light on how aircraft these sizes are towed around? obviously someone towing, extra eyes watching the rest of the plane? anyone in the cockpit while towing?
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Don't forget the time that the SIT tow and stow crew nearly took the wingtip off a -400 due to them shutting down all power and hydraulics before the body gear had a chance to lock in the straight forward position. This caused the aircraft to crab into the door of H96. Bugger
Or the time heavy maintenance was doing a reweigh in H271 and had the aircraft roll off the pads as they had set the brakes too many times before re-pressurising the accumulators. In this case it was good luck and not good management that saved the day.
The hangar doors were open to allow the tug access and this allowed the nose of the aircraft to roll through them rather than take them out.
The aircraft was stopped by an inadvertantly placed cargo tug. The damage ended being the fairing on the R WLG door. Another lucky escape.
At the end of the day it all comes down to a failure of company policy and procedures.
QF management is known for hiding behind the P & P manual, so somewhere along the line today the processes management have put in place failed and incident has happened.
The unfortunate guys on the floor might get a huge shafting for following the rules that their management have told them to follow.
Or the time heavy maintenance was doing a reweigh in H271 and had the aircraft roll off the pads as they had set the brakes too many times before re-pressurising the accumulators. In this case it was good luck and not good management that saved the day.
The hangar doors were open to allow the tug access and this allowed the nose of the aircraft to roll through them rather than take them out.
The aircraft was stopped by an inadvertantly placed cargo tug. The damage ended being the fairing on the R WLG door. Another lucky escape.
At the end of the day it all comes down to a failure of company policy and procedures.
QF management is known for hiding behind the P & P manual, so somewhere along the line today the processes management have put in place failed and incident has happened.
The unfortunate guys on the floor might get a huge shafting for following the rules that their management have told them to follow.
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Before anyone points fingers at the people at AVV, SYD has a fairly decent track record. The A380 was slightly damaged just weeks ago. Wasn't EBW damaged in MEL when a truck ran into it?
Accidents do happen - let things take thier course but really, SYD has a fair track record of damaging aircraft.
Accidents do happen - let things take thier course but really, SYD has a fair track record of damaging aircraft.
