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I'm really terribly sorry, Honourable LVDT, but I fail to understand how the CAA will cause YOU to have an "occurence". If you are referring to the ATS service provider then you need to read your Notams (among MANY other documents about the ATS service provider). If you have a problem with the service provider, you have the right (indeed, an obligation under Part 12) to lodge a CAA005 to the Regulator.
Don't want to do that?
(Shrug...) What can I say...
Don't want to do that?
(Shrug...) What can I say...
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VB are in for the long haul, you seem to forget that they are not going it alone and are in a code share with APNG linking in all of there domestic ops. I hear rummours that QF are reconsidering their code share, has anyone any more info.
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If QF withdrew from the codeshare arrangement apart from saving them the cost of the seats they 'buy' on PX services, QF would loose both the on and in carriage a codeshare arrangement facilitates. It may not be much revenue to QF but the ability to in sell and on sell is just as important as the actual sale.
To pull out of the codeshare arrangement would cost QF in the long run.
However having a QF flight number on those flights operated by a subcontractor to PX is equally fraught with potential danger to both QF and the passengers that mistakenly think they are on a QF flight.
If QF withdrew from the codeshare arrangement apart from saving them the cost of the seats they 'buy' on PX services, QF would loose both the on and in carriage a codeshare arrangement facilitates. It may not be much revenue to QF but the ability to in sell and on sell is just as important as the actual sale.
To pull out of the codeshare arrangement would cost QF in the long run.
However having a QF flight number on those flights operated by a subcontractor to PX is equally fraught with potential danger to both QF and the passengers that mistakenly think they are on a QF flight.
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For some odd reason the PX 757 TF-FII was on the ground in Cairns today, first time i think it has been here, i don't think it was a scheduled trip , any idea as to why it stopped here ,I had a quick look at it and it looked like it was put to bed for the night.
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I think things have worked pretty smoothly without any ATS, people using common sense and communication to get the job done. Can get a bit confusing with so much traffic on 123.4.
On a side note, hats off to the PX pilot heading for Tokua and Kavieng yesterday afternoon who inadvertantly transmitted his speil to the passengers over 123.4, best I have ever heard!
On a side note, hats off to the PX pilot heading for Tokua and Kavieng yesterday afternoon who inadvertantly transmitted his speil to the passengers over 123.4, best I have ever heard!
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re 757 due to ATC strike some foreign registered aircraft operate under rules that do not allow them to operate without ATC coverage or so we have been told. It seems that png registered aircraft are happy to fly without ATC coverage. 757 diverted into cairns from manila awaiting the end of the strike.(must be costing px)
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The 757 diverting to Cairns is a reasonable thought, as its an icelandic aircraft, the P2 registered dash-8s and F-100s all came and departed cairns as normal.
Not a good show for any airline to not get its pax to there destination, based on an aircraft's registration.
Not a good show for any airline to not get its pax to there destination, based on an aircraft's registration.
I recall a certain wet leased 737 ever so long ago heading for Manus and was advised that the local fire tender ( which was most probably left by the Japs in 1940) was unservicable.
A lazy 180 degree turn was conducted and a return to Moresby was made once again dodging fate.
Whew!
The Pommy Crew spent the rest of the day by the T Lodge pool to recover from their harrowing experience.
Alas the 737 we should have got all those years ago did not get the start that it deserved.
A lazy 180 degree turn was conducted and a return to Moresby was made once again dodging fate.
Whew!
The Pommy Crew spent the rest of the day by the T Lodge pool to recover from their harrowing experience.
Alas the 737 we should have got all those years ago did not get the start that it deserved.
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Totally agree with you Adastra about the pommie contract pilots. You could not get them to fly even after throwing large rocks at them, verbal or otherwise and the costly contract turned people off the 73 for many a year. I often wonder how the 735 with 'fats' would have performed around the traps. Maybe better than the F100.
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Great thread; had the the pleasure of meeting some one who has just come back POM who had quite an insight into life at PX.
Look guys most do not see how dificult to run an airline. Everybody talks like they are capable of being CEO but none has sat in the chair. contrary to a few posts, PX made money last year!! Auditor General confirmed it. PX is now profitable and and have a good future. If not for fuel cost saga where PX ABSORPED K55m FROM Jan to Sep 08, and K120M from Sep. 2005 PX may have made biggest profits in its history. This wasn't done by sitting in the bar at the yaught club....
PX's last 767 lease did not have options at least for twelve months to exercise. Lessor wanted five years forward or return. What is the answer!!!! take it and return in two years with a Big penaltywhen it is 100000 hours on the frame !!Ha ha!!! or take the hard decision and take the airline forward. PX have been burned before by the A310 return some years ago that cost millions and millions!!! now PX has a B767 with several options as it goes forward.
Regarding the E145 guys be aware that PX is taking the editor of the letter that Guria and Sharpie were refering to court on the comments!!! The E145 is only interim until F100 come out of heavy checks. two done and one more to go this year... two more checks next year
KL route is purely commercial, why take a third SIN run when KL offers three years free of charge landing, six months office space and lowest cost fuel in asia. All incentives to PX and its employees and not to directors.
Seems like it is an extremely tough environment out there and the country has an Airline that is healthy where many global carriers of a similar size are not?
Look guys most do not see how dificult to run an airline. Everybody talks like they are capable of being CEO but none has sat in the chair. contrary to a few posts, PX made money last year!! Auditor General confirmed it. PX is now profitable and and have a good future. If not for fuel cost saga where PX ABSORPED K55m FROM Jan to Sep 08, and K120M from Sep. 2005 PX may have made biggest profits in its history. This wasn't done by sitting in the bar at the yaught club....
PX's last 767 lease did not have options at least for twelve months to exercise. Lessor wanted five years forward or return. What is the answer!!!! take it and return in two years with a Big penaltywhen it is 100000 hours on the frame !!Ha ha!!! or take the hard decision and take the airline forward. PX have been burned before by the A310 return some years ago that cost millions and millions!!! now PX has a B767 with several options as it goes forward.
Regarding the E145 guys be aware that PX is taking the editor of the letter that Guria and Sharpie were refering to court on the comments!!! The E145 is only interim until F100 come out of heavy checks. two done and one more to go this year... two more checks next year
KL route is purely commercial, why take a third SIN run when KL offers three years free of charge landing, six months office space and lowest cost fuel in asia. All incentives to PX and its employees and not to directors.
Seems like it is an extremely tough environment out there and the country has an Airline that is healthy where many global carriers of a similar size are not?
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That's right cockyjester!!
It is quite a different picture you get when you speak to someone from PX. You actually end up with an UNDERSTANDING of how it is all working, and the logic behind some of the decisions.
Thanks for your post cockyjester.
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Thanks for your post cockyjester.
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NZ2 states: "It is quite a different picture you get when you speak to someone from PX."
Yes, it is what they want you to hear based on their individual knowledge.
NZ2 goes on: "You actually end up with an UNDERSTANDING of how it is all working, and the logic behind some of the decisions."
Oh really. You gleaned so much from 6 short paragraphs.
Earlier NZ2 decided that "I have noticed that a few things that have been said so far in this thread show that the people writing the post have simply no idea!"
Then NZ2 goes on "I'm told flying in PNG is both enjoyable and a challenge."
Perhaps NZ2 hasn't been to PNG after all.
Yes, it is what they want you to hear based on their individual knowledge.
NZ2 goes on: "You actually end up with an UNDERSTANDING of how it is all working, and the logic behind some of the decisions."
Oh really. You gleaned so much from 6 short paragraphs.
Earlier NZ2 decided that "I have noticed that a few things that have been said so far in this thread show that the people writing the post have simply no idea!"
Then NZ2 goes on "I'm told flying in PNG is both enjoyable and a challenge."
Perhaps NZ2 hasn't been to PNG after all.
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*sigh*
I fail to see the point of your above post 7mile.
For your information i have been to PNG more than 10 times in the past. So yes, i have been to PNG.
I'm quite intrigued by your negative posts, they really do make me ponder the reason for them.
>>>Once again! I intended this thread to be a place for people to post news about Air Niugini, and not a place for people like 7mile to publish utter C
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NZ2.
For your information i have been to PNG more than 10 times in the past. So yes, i have been to PNG.
I'm quite intrigued by your negative posts, they really do make me ponder the reason for them.
>>>Once again! I intended this thread to be a place for people to post news about Air Niugini, and not a place for people like 7mile to publish utter C
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NewZealand2. Methinks you doth protest too much
From the Weekend Post Courier
Post-Courier Online
No dreamliner for Air Niugini
DESPITE the publicity from the Air Niugini board there will be no Dreamliner in 2010.
In fact Air Niugini is not buying a Boeing 787 Dreamliner at all but leasing it from the Icelandic mob, as it is doing with the 757. What is the connection with the PNG Diaries?
There must be a serious investigation into why an Icelandic company, obviously in financial difficulties, is sucking on the Air Niugini teat. What is management getting out of it?
Who is benefiting? Definitely not the people of PNG except perhaps some senior politicians or bureaucrats.
If Air Niugini cannot buy the aircraft because of a complete lack of confidence in the airline by international funders then why not ask the superfunds, which are wallowing in cash, to come forward and support the national airline”?
The Dreamliner, if it ever comes, will be delayed until 2012 as per the attachment and because the economy of Iceland is a total basket case with most banks either being nationalised or taken over by the Russians or the Pommy police, will it eventuate?
Why has our nice, little profitable airline Air Niugini been turned into the laughing stock of the industry in just a few short years? Management; or actually lack of it.
This is the people’s money; just like the NPF before. Surely it must be investigated.
tipsy
From the Weekend Post Courier
Post-Courier Online
No dreamliner for Air Niugini
DESPITE the publicity from the Air Niugini board there will be no Dreamliner in 2010.
In fact Air Niugini is not buying a Boeing 787 Dreamliner at all but leasing it from the Icelandic mob, as it is doing with the 757. What is the connection with the PNG Diaries?
There must be a serious investigation into why an Icelandic company, obviously in financial difficulties, is sucking on the Air Niugini teat. What is management getting out of it?
Who is benefiting? Definitely not the people of PNG except perhaps some senior politicians or bureaucrats.
If Air Niugini cannot buy the aircraft because of a complete lack of confidence in the airline by international funders then why not ask the superfunds, which are wallowing in cash, to come forward and support the national airline”?
The Dreamliner, if it ever comes, will be delayed until 2012 as per the attachment and because the economy of Iceland is a total basket case with most banks either being nationalised or taken over by the Russians or the Pommy police, will it eventuate?
Why has our nice, little profitable airline Air Niugini been turned into the laughing stock of the industry in just a few short years? Management; or actually lack of it.
This is the people’s money; just like the NPF before. Surely it must be investigated.
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2tipsy....you shouldn't beleive in everything you read in the paper! Especially when the comment is from a letter and not actualy an article.
As I said before in my post my interest in this is purely from hearing first hand from some one who has recently come back from a tour in POM with PX and I am now quite interested to see what is happening.
From what I heared the Airline is buying the aircraft but in order to get an earlier slot, PX have bought out an Icelandic slot (this makes a lot of sense to me ....Iceland don't need the aircraft any more and PX want to upgrade as soon as possible)
As for the comment about not getting the aircraft in 2010, do you think the author actualy looked into the status of the Dreamliner project at present?
As I said before in my post my interest in this is purely from hearing first hand from some one who has recently come back from a tour in POM with PX and I am now quite interested to see what is happening.
From what I heared the Airline is buying the aircraft but in order to get an earlier slot, PX have bought out an Icelandic slot (this makes a lot of sense to me ....Iceland don't need the aircraft any more and PX want to upgrade as soon as possible)
As for the comment about not getting the aircraft in 2010, do you think the author actualy looked into the status of the Dreamliner project at present?
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This Post Courier letter is an attempt by an uninformed individual in PNG to once again smear Air Niugini using misinformation. His last post described the 4, F100 parked and not flying in POM, these are actually F28-4000 aircraft which have been retired, two of which are being parted out.
The writer goes on to criticise the 757 and use of this aircraft for a new route to Malaysia, evidently he finds the 757 an easy target as now the problem is Iceland which he evidently does not understand is different from IceLand Air.
I can think of a number of countries that found it necessary to extend financial assiistance for the banking industry recently, USA, Great Britain, Canada, Australia are on the list so Iceland with a population about the same as POM should not be much to talk about.
In any case Iceland Air is to the best of my knowledge a leading ACMI operator with a significant fleet. They have retrenched 140 flight crew recently as they move more to Dry leasing, more than one of their pilots has hired on at PX.
PX is training crew for the 757 (F100 pilots moving up)and will most likely crew this aircraft and register her P2 this year, something which is good value for pilots and employment opportunities in PNG.
The Dreamliner is not arriving in 2010 and I am not sure who ever announced it was, the slot is for 2015, and there is an initiative to purchase a different slot earlied but as you can imagine these early slots are not easy to get. Boeing is buying any slot available to lessen their delays.
I think rumour mongering about an aircraft so far into the future is silly when we have so many real time targets.
The recent ATC problems are a new low in PNG.
CAA CEO apologized recently for the ATC strike, unfortunately the Minister for transport was in Manila at the time.
The writer goes on to criticise the 757 and use of this aircraft for a new route to Malaysia, evidently he finds the 757 an easy target as now the problem is Iceland which he evidently does not understand is different from IceLand Air.
I can think of a number of countries that found it necessary to extend financial assiistance for the banking industry recently, USA, Great Britain, Canada, Australia are on the list so Iceland with a population about the same as POM should not be much to talk about.
In any case Iceland Air is to the best of my knowledge a leading ACMI operator with a significant fleet. They have retrenched 140 flight crew recently as they move more to Dry leasing, more than one of their pilots has hired on at PX.
PX is training crew for the 757 (F100 pilots moving up)and will most likely crew this aircraft and register her P2 this year, something which is good value for pilots and employment opportunities in PNG.
The Dreamliner is not arriving in 2010 and I am not sure who ever announced it was, the slot is for 2015, and there is an initiative to purchase a different slot earlied but as you can imagine these early slots are not easy to get. Boeing is buying any slot available to lessen their delays.
I think rumour mongering about an aircraft so far into the future is silly when we have so many real time targets.
The recent ATC problems are a new low in PNG.
CAA CEO apologized recently for the ATC strike, unfortunately the Minister for transport was in Manila at the time.
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The above post is a supreme example of someone who actually has understanding, and is in the know.
I heard LVDT that the 767 crew were to be cross trained on the 757. Is this still going to happen or is the position only open to F100 crew?
BTW, -FII will be replaced with -FIY (winglets) in December.
NZ2.
I heard LVDT that the 767 crew were to be cross trained on the 757. Is this still going to happen or is the position only open to F100 crew?
BTW, -FII will be replaced with -FIY (winglets) in December.
NZ2.