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New B767's for QF ?.

Old 6th Oct 2008, 14:16
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New B767's for QF ?.

Latest rumour is that Boeing has offered to lease new B767's, either 200, 300 or 400's or a combination thereof to QF due to further delays in the B787 delivery program.
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Old 6th Oct 2008, 15:47
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ha ha... why not throw in some spare 707's
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Old 6th Oct 2008, 15:54
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let me get this straight...there are "new" 767-200s available, where have they been? Wrapped in gladwrap for 20 years?
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Old 6th Oct 2008, 22:13
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As new 200's that is...some may even have an engineers seat thrown in for free....
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Old 6th Oct 2008, 22:40
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Shouldn't be a surprise if Boeing offers new build 767 300's at "mates rates" to QF/JQ until the 787 fiasco is sorted.

(I am assuming the 767 300 production line is still open ?)

If they were destined for JQ, plenty of the ex AN people there are 767 rated.
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Old 6th Oct 2008, 23:51
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Yes the 767-300/300ER are still being made, and from what I have heard, both the Japanese carriers are getting 767's to cover the delays of the 787. ANA, the 787 launch carrier is certainly getting quite a few to cover the delays, so it would make sense to give Qantas a few to do the same....
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Old 7th Oct 2008, 00:26
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I believe Continental Airlines have some late model 767-200s....
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Old 7th Oct 2008, 01:06
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Sorry Fellas. The B767-200 is alive and well. It was the platform offered to the USAF recently as a tanker.

FYI. The Boeing website shows the following prices.

B767-200ER $124.5 - $135.5

B767-300ER $141.0 - $157.5

B767-400ER $154.0 - $169.0

I understand the lease rates, terms and conditions offered are very attractive !.
Even been offered a B767-200ERHGW with trans pacific capability with approx
175 pax in 2 classes. ie. Business and Premium Economy !.
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She needs a little TLC, but best offer?

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Old 7th Oct 2008, 01:59
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OLD TECHNOLOGY
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Might be old technology, but it's still working well.
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Old 7th Oct 2008, 03:04
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Holy Crap! I just looked it up & the first 767 flew 27 years ago!!!

I remember when they first turned up at Tulla & the open day at the Maintenance base when we all trundled through them....I'm feeling old now...I might just have a lie down...
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Old 7th Oct 2008, 03:08
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Considering the 767 will have to keep the cityflyer flag flying for at least another 4 years then this rumour might have legs!
The A330 and 787 have too big a wingspan for many of the domestic gates, hence the attractiveness of more 76's.
Qantas could then devote the 78, when they get them, to international routes.
If QF can get them for a song then I think it's a good idea.
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Don't you mean "Shitty Liar Service" wingspar, considering the magnitude of apologies given for service failure these days!?
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Old 7th Oct 2008, 04:56
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Still orders for 767's.

The Boeing Company
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Old 7th Oct 2008, 06:18
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Blow

Yep, totally agree. Maybe getting rid of the Rollers, the older 76's and replacing them with a few newbuilds may reduce the apologies!
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Old 7th Oct 2008, 06:46
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This idea was first floated about 8 or nine months ago and makes a lot of sense.
Boeing have 2 options to compensate customers still waiting for a 787.
Option 1 - Cash compensation
-Costs a hell of a lot
-Customer still needs capacity so spends Boeings compensation money buying a competitors product
-Customer has to employ staff and train them to operate competitors product
-Competitor has no equivalent product anyway, customer airline ends up with an aircraft either too large or small for its needs.
Option 2 - Give customer capacity with replacement aircraft
-Boeing produces a new aircraft an aircraft on its currently dormant production line, costs Boeing much less as they are only compensating the customer by the amount it costs to build the aircraft, not the sticker price.
-Customer gets capacity it needs without buying a competitors product
-Customer employs and trains staff, particularly tech crew on 767, when 787 arrives it is merely a 2 week conversion course
-When 787 is delivered, Boeing gets to take it back and either sell it or convert to freighter etc, thereby recouping much of what would otherwise have been a substantial cash payout
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Old 7th Oct 2008, 08:22
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If the rumour has legs, the most likely scenario would have QF take a number of relatively new 767s and pass more A330-300 to JQ pending delivery of JQ 787s.

That allows JQ to start ramping up International flying in line with the original plan.

What happens when 787s appear depends on the "new" 767 lease arrangements; either they are returned on a one for one basis, or "old" 767s which are approaching Heavy Maintenance visits are released closer to original plan, and the "new" ones are the last to go in five or seven years' time.

Pure speculation based on a rumour. What PPRuNe does so well.
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Wod. If I'm reading you right...are you suggesting they "re birth" a few of the older 767s & send them back to Boeing? Do you think they'd notice?
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Old 7th Oct 2008, 11:45
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Nice one Buster!

What I intended to say was that the old clunkers go to the fretsaw farm quite quickly, while the flash new aircraft are kept until the end of the 767 era and then returned to Boeing.

Depends on the deal.

If, indeed, there is one.
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