V Australia Operations DELAYED TO FEB09
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That may be so, however a codeshare deal with United would make more sense, just like the BA/QF system on the routes to the UK.
Northwest is not currently flying the Pacific.
And if you were going to link up with the rest of the USA would Southwest be a better option?
J
Northwest is not currently flying the Pacific.
And if you were going to link up with the rest of the USA would Southwest be a better option?
J
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The link at VB is a no brainer but Virgin in yankee land is not much of a network.
United have a large network and may well wish to reduce some services and codeshare with VAus........ maybe? Has anyone ever asked?
United have a large network and may well wish to reduce some services and codeshare with VAus........ maybe? Has anyone ever asked?
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Like all - fwd bookings on the Pac route are down - and the NSR on transpac ops has been steadily falling for all carriers. Reality is that it just is not the goldmine it once was.
Intell says that the Jan-March qtr is particularly low for inbounds ex West coast and this will be further compounded by the continued decline in the US domestic market - without a strong [profitable] feeder network/alliance your primary market is constrained. Codeshare is more about reciprocal revenue chanels than just swapping seat capacity.
It's going to be a hard call for the VB Board, especially given the cash pressures on the domestic business and the planned reduction (sic; Brettspeak - 'adjustment') in ops - but even more worrying for those VA crews that are sitting on the sideline waiting for the chance to run on.
Hope they get a chance to at least give it go.
Intell says that the Jan-March qtr is particularly low for inbounds ex West coast and this will be further compounded by the continued decline in the US domestic market - without a strong [profitable] feeder network/alliance your primary market is constrained. Codeshare is more about reciprocal revenue chanels than just swapping seat capacity.
It's going to be a hard call for the VB Board, especially given the cash pressures on the domestic business and the planned reduction (sic; Brettspeak - 'adjustment') in ops - but even more worrying for those VA crews that are sitting on the sideline waiting for the chance to run on.
Hope they get a chance to at least give it go.
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Airtags is right - code shares are fine in theory, but you still need bums on seats at reasonable fare levels to drive the yield.
If the yield aint there, there's no point in going on with it.
Brett better have his thinking cap on - a few people have jumped ship from good jobs to go to VA. They are the ones who deserve a positive outcome here.
If the yield aint there, there's no point in going on with it.
Brett better have his thinking cap on - a few people have jumped ship from good jobs to go to VA. They are the ones who deserve a positive outcome here.
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A little Birdie tells me that the first one is likely to be delivered end of Dec or early Jan 09. Given that they are a slick dispatch these days this date range should be close to the mark.
A Happy New Year gift to all at Virgin I reckon!
J
A Happy New Year gift to all at Virgin I reckon!
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Kanga1,
I was told that the original two aircrafts rego's were chosen and painted onto the new aircraft without having been registed first with CASA, Jetstar had already reserved the rego's VAus wanted, and the aircraft had to be re-painted with the correct rego's, if this is the case, it does not surprise me.
A little birdy also told me that for some of the pilots that have left good job's oversea's, their right to return to their previous employer is approaching it's deadline.
I was told that the original two aircrafts rego's were chosen and painted onto the new aircraft without having been registed first with CASA, Jetstar had already reserved the rego's VAus wanted, and the aircraft had to be re-painted with the correct rego's, if this is the case, it does not surprise me.
A little birdy also told me that for some of the pilots that have left good job's oversea's, their right to return to their previous employer is approaching it's deadline.
1) Northwest Airlines are now effectively Delta.
2) Most airlines with services ex the U.S are seeing a falling off
in travel originating in the the U.S due to the dire economic
circumstances there.
2) Most airlines with services ex the U.S are seeing a falling off
in travel originating in the the U.S due to the dire economic
circumstances there.
dirtydeeds,
the airline I work for has now changed its' policy on the "come on back" offer, and (possibly) unfortunately for those guys, there now is no way back. Sure hoping it works out for them all.
the airline I work for has now changed its' policy on the "come on back" offer, and (possibly) unfortunately for those guys, there now is no way back. Sure hoping it works out for them all.
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In summary, it's probably a great idea for an airline, with a good brand and complacent opposition. It's just the wrong time to do it.
Better to wait one year and start again when things are a little more fluid?
As for the employees terms and conditions however - they are just a disgrace. A new industry low and a recipe for industrial and commercial disaster.
THESE need to be scrapped and refreshed with a package that will not cause employees to become quickly disgruntled, disenfranchised and angry. The very factors that now make Qantas (and United) so unappealing and the very opposite of what Virgin is SUPPOSED to stand for.
Better to wait one year and start again when things are a little more fluid?
As for the employees terms and conditions however - they are just a disgrace. A new industry low and a recipe for industrial and commercial disaster.
THESE need to be scrapped and refreshed with a package that will not cause employees to become quickly disgruntled, disenfranchised and angry. The very factors that now make Qantas (and United) so unappealing and the very opposite of what Virgin is SUPPOSED to stand for.
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No change in EK 'policy' for the recent leavers. I've just checked. There isn't any restrictions in any of the VA guys applying to come back and I believe some have already done so.
No change in EK 'policy' for the recent leavers. I've just checked. There isn't any restrictions in any of the VA guys applying to come back and I believe some have already done so.
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ZQN,
maybe not official 'policy' as such. I was only told this week from someone 'close to the source' (B777). I hope it isn't correct - has anyone tested the case yet though and actually been resuccessful in coming back?
maybe not official 'policy' as such. I was only told this week from someone 'close to the source' (B777). I hope it isn't correct - has anyone tested the case yet though and actually been resuccessful in coming back?
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Watchdog, This is directly from the horses mouth.. From the 'rumour buster' section on the EK crew portal. The 'policy' is to welcome guys back..
Whether they're taking them right now is a different matter. We're overcrewed at the moment due to late 777's with galley problems and additionally the boeing strike.
There are ex Emirates Captain candidates who wish to rejoin the company after leaving Emirates a short while ago. Since they are still current, it would be sensible to direct them back to towards the type on which they have EK experience, as a DEC.
Jim Mulvaney- FMA
Jim Mulvaney- FMA
Whether they're taking them right now is a different matter. We're overcrewed at the moment due to late 777's with galley problems and additionally the boeing strike.
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I have heard a couple of the EK guys who went to Jetstar may have completed the interview process however, I am not sure if they were successfull.Obviously EK doesn't have any positions at the moment so they wouldn't have been offered any positions. As far as the VA trainers are concerned I believe quite a few have reapplied to come back to EK.
Visual P,
yes, that might be written there, but the info I got comes from somewhat higher on the food chain than the FM! I guess proof will be in the pudding in due course.
yes, that might be written there, but the info I got comes from somewhat higher on the food chain than the FM! I guess proof will be in the pudding in due course.
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One factor that may severely affect the viability of the Virgin group and particularly VA, is fuel hedging.
Is it true that Virgin management has hedged most of their fuel at $145 / barrel in the belief that the price was not going to drop ?
I wonder what the original VA model fuel costs were.
Is it true that Virgin management has hedged most of their fuel at $145 / barrel in the belief that the price was not going to drop ?
I wonder what the original VA model fuel costs were.
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Sounds like a great mob to work for at EK 
Pilots basically saying " up yours, I'm off to greener pastures " and when it does'nt work out, EK welcomes them back with open arms, just to save a few bucks. Screw the guys that hung around and showed some loyalty 
Nice
Pilots basically saying " up yours, I'm off to greener pastures " and when it does'nt work out, EK welcomes them back with open arms, just to save a few bucks. Screw the guys that hung around and showed some loyalty Nice
Loyalty seems to be optional to most people .
It can be explained by the following formula .
" Loyalty is inversely proportional to a better lifestyle ."
The better the new lifestyle offered the lower the loyalty to the current employer becomes .
If the lifestyle offered does not eventuate then the loyalty to the previous employer suddenly returns and increases greatly.
Most of us are only in it for what we can get out of it .
Loyalty is directly linked to salary as well.
One can also see wonderful employer examples to those who remained " loyal " when there is a financial downturn.
Loyal or not they boot you out when things are shaky .
Many years ago some companies actually cared about the welfare of their employees but , alas , that seems to have well and truly disappeared .
Loyalty verses the Holy Dollar = no contest whatever .
Don't delude yourself , Loyalty means nothing to Airline bosses in most cases .
Just remember how GD from QF treated " loyal " staff.
The only staff he showed any concern for was the one she shafted his employees with.
It can be explained by the following formula .
" Loyalty is inversely proportional to a better lifestyle ."
The better the new lifestyle offered the lower the loyalty to the current employer becomes .
If the lifestyle offered does not eventuate then the loyalty to the previous employer suddenly returns and increases greatly.
Most of us are only in it for what we can get out of it .
Loyalty is directly linked to salary as well.
One can also see wonderful employer examples to those who remained " loyal " when there is a financial downturn.
Loyal or not they boot you out when things are shaky .
Many years ago some companies actually cared about the welfare of their employees but , alas , that seems to have well and truly disappeared .
Loyalty verses the Holy Dollar = no contest whatever .
Don't delude yourself , Loyalty means nothing to Airline bosses in most cases .
Just remember how GD from QF treated " loyal " staff.
The only staff he showed any concern for was the one she shafted his employees with.