AIPA or AFAP FOR JETSTAR
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Mohikan is onto something here.....
His two basic principles stand out, shining like the morning sun:
1) Any group of pilots whose pay and conditions affect job opportunities for other pilots within their airline or within the same airline group should be condemned
2) Any group of pilots who attempt a smash and grab raid, however politely disguised, on the job opportunities of another group of pilots should be condemned.
Thank you Mohikan, it is much clearer now.
His two basic principles stand out, shining like the morning sun:
1) Any group of pilots whose pay and conditions affect job opportunities for other pilots within their airline or within the same airline group should be condemned
2) Any group of pilots who attempt a smash and grab raid, however politely disguised, on the job opportunities of another group of pilots should be condemned.
Thank you Mohikan, it is much clearer now.
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Genex,
Let's look at history...
AIPA has looked after all its members well.
AIPA successfully integrated the Australian Airlines pilots.
AIPA stayed at arms length from the AFAP's '89 insanity.
In the last, almost, twenty years the AFAP has done nothing to regain the strength and integrity so carelessly tossed away.
If you want realistic union representation it's a no-brainer.
Back to watching the arrival of the 380.
Let's look at history...
AIPA has looked after all its members well.
AIPA successfully integrated the Australian Airlines pilots.
AIPA stayed at arms length from the AFAP's '89 insanity.
In the last, almost, twenty years the AFAP has done nothing to regain the strength and integrity so carelessly tossed away.
If you want realistic union representation it's a no-brainer.
Back to watching the arrival of the 380.
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Genex I think you are delusional.
Instead going after Jetstar pilots. With most captains on 200 plus a year, which doesn't sound like too bad a pay to me and and go for the likes of Skywest, NJS, Skyworld, Alliance etc who pay their pilots crap.
Get over it son. The Jetstar bashing is pointless. The star is here to stay.
Instead going after Jetstar pilots. With most captains on 200 plus a year, which doesn't sound like too bad a pay to me and and go for the likes of Skywest, NJS, Skyworld, Alliance etc who pay their pilots crap.
Get over it son. The Jetstar bashing is pointless. The star is here to stay.
Nunc est bibendum
tunedog, I suspect that genex was being either cynical or sarcastic and possibly both. The other option is that genex is an equal opportunity sledger and anyone who isn't him/her cops it with both barrels. 
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Did anyone notice that the A380 arrived in mainline colours, flown by mainline pilots, on mainline rates of pay?
Thanks AIPA
Thanks AIPA
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Zep
Almost right...
AIPA looks after AIPA pilots.
Did anyone notice that the A380 arrived in mainline colours, flown by mainline pilots, on mainline rates of pay?
Thanks AIPA
Exactly sums up AIPA - (Rightfully) looking after Qantas mainline pilots.
Thanks AIPA
Exactly sums up AIPA - (Rightfully) looking after Qantas mainline pilots.
AIPA looks after AIPA pilots.
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Now we can finally get some REAL representation!!
Question 1.
Do you wish to be represented by a recognised industrial body?
Yes 226
No 29
Question 2.
Which industrial body do you prefer?
AIPA 151
AFAP 91
Question 1.
Do you wish to be represented by a recognised industrial body?
Yes 226
No 29
Question 2.
Which industrial body do you prefer?
AIPA 151
AFAP 91
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Given the result I hope aipa gets out and does some roadshows because if the pilots don't sign up it all means nothing
The ball is in aipa court lets see how they handle it
The ball is in aipa court lets see how they handle it
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Toolish,
I believe AIPA's ultimate goal is independant pilot councils under one all encompassing Industrial umbrella.
The name APA Australia Pilots Association ,or such like, I've heard bandied around ,a-la Aus ALPA.
Let's hope pilots in this country with proper leadership can overcome their percieved differences and actually work together and make a difference!
I believe AIPA's ultimate goal is independant pilot councils under one all encompassing Industrial umbrella.
The name APA Australia Pilots Association ,or such like, I've heard bandied around ,a-la Aus ALPA.
Let's hope pilots in this country with proper leadership can overcome their percieved differences and actually work together and make a difference!
Sounds like a great plan Max but I think APA is still a dirty word for most Qantas employees so we may need a different name.
(I did like seeing David Coe having to sell his mansion on the news
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(I did like seeing David Coe having to sell his mansion on the news
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11 years on I just wanted to see what everyones opinion is regarding best union for Jetstar Pilots. I've seen a few posts saying loss of licence insurance is better with AIPA and membership fees are lower. But a lot of people saying AFAP is better for JQ with AIPA better for Qantas pilots.
AFAP is the majority union in Jetstar with over 80% of the membership.
AFAP have fought and won multiple Fair Work disputes for Jetstar members.
AFAP have fought and won a number of number of federal court cases for Jetstar members.
AFAP have a far superior loss of licence scheme.
AFAP negotiated the iPad agreement (more cash), WDO payment even of flight cancelled, WDA buffers the same as WDOs etc
AFAP Jetstar committee is controlled by exclusively by Jetstar pilots.
No thanks Lester!
Perhaps pause for a moment to consider who would want to attempt to reopen old issues...
I have a huge amount of respect for pilots on both sides. QF and JQ pilot groups only have one common adversary. It's EBA time right?
I have a huge amount of respect for pilots on both sides. QF and JQ pilot groups only have one common adversary. It's EBA time right?
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Because pilots have very short memories. A number of years ago AIPA tried to muscle in on Jetstar and promised the world. The end result is that AIPA are there to represent QF pilots and they will always come first. In the end a large number of those who left to Join AIPA, returned to the AFAP.
How will things be different this time around? They won't.
How will things be different this time around? They won't.
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AFAP AIPA & QPA
One might ponder, is this free-market competition or very concerned and wary Pilot representation. I guess time will tell!
