AIPA or AFAP FOR JETSTAR
I’m a QANTAS pilot. I’m a member of AIPA. What sh$ts me about this forum is other QANTAS pilots taking over threads that don’t relate to them, to talk about the same sh*t they bitch and moan about on other prune threads, and on qrewroom threads. This thread was about Jetstar. FFS let them have their discussion without changing it into yet another QANTAS thread.
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Until Jetstar Pilots form their own union and move away from multi union representation, expect the status quo to continue - Airline managers love nothing more than fragmented pilot representation each with their own vested interests.
A single union with professional negotiators delivering a united message is much more formidable to deal with from an airline management perspective.
A single union with professional negotiators delivering a united message is much more formidable to deal with from an airline management perspective.
Until Jetstar Pilots form their own union and move away from multi union representation, expect the status quo to continue - Airline managers love nothing more than fragmented pilot representation each with their own vested interests.
A single union with professional negotiators delivering a united message is much more formidable to deal with from an airline management perspective.
A single union with professional negotiators delivering a united message is much more formidable to deal with from an airline management perspective.
No need to form their own union, the AFAP is doing a pretty good job of representing Jetstar pilots......
The sad truth is that without this, Jetstar pilots will get the result they deserve.
I make the assumption re. debt that you are relatively new on the scene.
I am at the other rend of the scale, and a former branch officeholder in the AFAP. Based on a perspective of some fifty or so years "in the business", I can say that, in my opinion, AFAP has never done a good job.
Indeed, at one stage, such a bad job, that it gave rise to AIPA.
All professional pilots in Australia would be/would have been better off represented by one union, but AFAP is not, in my opinion, that union, and never has been.
As far as airlines are concerned, the present setup is the gift that keeps on giving.
Tootle pip!!
Tootle pip!!
Indeed, at one stage, such a bad job, that it gave rise to AIPA.
S.I.D.
I make the assumption re. debt that you are relatively new on the scene.
I make the assumption re. debt that you are relatively new on the scene.
but I grant you I only have 6 years experience of AFAP’s relationship with Jetstar. In that time I have seen much success in how they’ve approached improving T&Cs including several victories at the FWC. But, given the history of airline/union relationships in Australia, it is no surprise to me that mistakes have been made in the past, hopefully they’ve been learned from.Just to clear up your assumption I’ve been using PPRuNe since it was an email mailing list, should give you an idea as to how long I’ve been in the industry 8)
S.I.D,
As you have confirmed, new on the scene.
AUSALPA as a workaround to IFALPA membership rules is better than nothing, but only just.
But, as you correctly say, industrial issues are the main game in town, and divide and rule is the gift that keeps on giving..
If the AFAP is the answer, gawd help us, what was the question??
Tootle pip!!
As you have confirmed, new on the scene.
AUSALPA as a workaround to IFALPA membership rules is better than nothing, but only just.
But, as you correctly say, industrial issues are the main game in town, and divide and rule is the gift that keeps on giving..
If the AFAP is the answer, gawd help us, what was the question??
Tootle pip!!
cheerio
