Merged: PNG CAA Air Safety: ABC Foreign Correspondent
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"An Australian based aviation safety auditor says conditions in PNG are ripe for an accident like that of the 2007 Garuda airline crash at Indonesia’s Yogyakarta airport."
Was the airport the major fault here? I seem to recall something about a pilot who ignored the fact that his approach had turned to excrement!
The only time that Air Nogat has been even close to this sort of incident was P2-ANB in Madang a few years back.
Yes the infrastructure and the political side of aviation in PNG sucks but the crew are usually top notch, they have to be to survive!
Was the airport the major fault here? I seem to recall something about a pilot who ignored the fact that his approach had turned to excrement!
The only time that Air Nogat has been even close to this sort of incident was P2-ANB in Madang a few years back.
Yes the infrastructure and the political side of aviation in PNG sucks but the crew are usually top notch, they have to be to survive!
ABC: Foreign Correspondent: PNG Aviation
Great program. Very well reported. 
I lift my hat to Sid O'Toole. Sid always was a great, honest aircraft engineer!!
Does he frequent this forum?
I lift my hat to Sid O'Toole. Sid always was a great, honest aircraft engineer!!
Does he frequent this forum?
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The ABC report on PNG aviation
... took great interest in watching the ABC report tonight on New Guinea and the issues brought up.
My experience in PNG was not too extensive. Enough to run into Sidney when we frequented the aero club and even then he expressed his concerns on the aviation investigation (or lack of) situation.
i flew with many ex-airlink pilots who knew the captain of the bandit that went down in more recent times. people regarded him very highly as a great pilot and it's incredibly sad they didn't investigate the accident properly. They recorded over the ATC tapes (containing the mayday call) 4 days after!
The thing which makes my toes prick up is the idea of having one (AUS AID DONATED) fire truck in Mt Hagen when a multiple number of jets and turboprop passenger aircraft operate in there (and other ports with NO emergency services) at any one time. we frequently caught the F100 from Mt hagen to Pt Moresby. Being from Australia it's easy to have the (wrong!) idea in your head that all these things are taken care of.. emergency services et al
As Sid pointed out... on the day a jet goes down, try picturing some 100 people escaping a burning F100 in mount Hagen and 5 PNG nationals attempting to put the fire out (using a truck that probably hadn't been checked to have any water in it in the first place....)
... thought it'd be a point to make... to send a message to Sidney (+co) saying keep up the good work and well done for sticking it out up there this long, in what would seem a battle of pushing the proverbial $h!t3 uphill
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My experience in PNG was not too extensive. Enough to run into Sidney when we frequented the aero club and even then he expressed his concerns on the aviation investigation (or lack of) situation.
i flew with many ex-airlink pilots who knew the captain of the bandit that went down in more recent times. people regarded him very highly as a great pilot and it's incredibly sad they didn't investigate the accident properly. They recorded over the ATC tapes (containing the mayday call) 4 days after!
The thing which makes my toes prick up is the idea of having one (AUS AID DONATED) fire truck in Mt Hagen when a multiple number of jets and turboprop passenger aircraft operate in there (and other ports with NO emergency services) at any one time. we frequently caught the F100 from Mt hagen to Pt Moresby. Being from Australia it's easy to have the (wrong!) idea in your head that all these things are taken care of.. emergency services et al
As Sid pointed out... on the day a jet goes down, try picturing some 100 people escaping a burning F100 in mount Hagen and 5 PNG nationals attempting to put the fire out (using a truck that probably hadn't been checked to have any water in it in the first place....)
... thought it'd be a point to make... to send a message to Sidney (+co) saying keep up the good work and well done for sticking it out up there this long, in what would seem a battle of pushing the proverbial $h!t3 uphill
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I stand to be corrected but I think it was stated 4 fire fighters in total working 2 12 hour shifts. I shudder to think does that mean 2 staff on each 12 hour shift!!!!!!!!! That is the way it sounded to me.
Heart felt condolences to the families involved and congratulations to Sid O'Toole for having the courage to be involved.
Heart felt condolences to the families involved and congratulations to Sid O'Toole for having the courage to be involved.
RFF
Shnev, it may surprise you to learn that RPT jets operate to many airfields in Australia where there is no RFF whatsoever. Yes I agree that Hagen needs a better RFF capability, but at least it has somehing.
I don't think the fire truck up at Hagen has any fire retardant either. The last aircraft that caught on fire up there was George Leahy's Cessna 207 when the NLG failed, and I believe some MAF people put that one out, whilst the RFF watched !
I have heard that ICAO are about to do an audit on the PNG CAA, no doubt they will be impressed with the situation
I have heard that ICAO are about to do an audit on the PNG CAA, no doubt they will be impressed with the situation
blame
Don't blame Gough Whitlam, just blame labor !!
This same tool / political party also gave land rights to the indigenous of Australia and look at all the problems that has caused.
If you want to F#$K something up (be it your own country or another one), just vote labor.
This same tool / political party also gave land rights to the indigenous of Australia and look at all the problems that has caused.
If you want to F#$K something up (be it your own country or another one), just vote labor.
What a cluster
k. $10,000 Ransom to investigate a crash? Must be a version of payback
That Sid, he deserves to be knighted to put up with that! Threatened by armed bandits just to do his job. National Geo must love the place. One step out of Moresby and you are back in the ..well armed...stone age!
k. $10,000 Ransom to investigate a crash? Must be a version of paybackThat Sid, he deserves to be knighted to put up with that! Threatened by armed bandits just to do his job. National Geo must love the place. One step out of Moresby and you are back in the ..well armed...stone age!
As we have come to expect in these type of tragedies, the TV journalist and cameras focussed inordinately on the poor mother's tears. But it is always sad to hear parents think their son was the perfect pilot and could do no wrong. That said, there was no mention whatsoever in the programme of the circumstances of the accident. As usual one hears very little of PNG accidents in the Australian media. What were the circumstances of this specific accident; how many lost their lives; and did the Mayday calls contain specific info on the problem with the aircraft?
That said, there was no mention whatsoever in the programme of the circumstances of the accident.
There is apparently NO Regulatory Authority Accident Investigation that is worth a **** in New Guinea...period.
If they fail the upcoming audit, there may soon be no P2 registered aircraft able to operate legally outside the New Guinea FIR.