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'PNG The Fatal Skies' online viewing
If you click on the following link you can watch the program online from the ABC. Just scroll down and select Foreign Correspondent for the 19th August. (Note: You need reasonably good bandwidth but most here probably have no problems with that.
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Sid O`Toole was grilled by the hypocrites from Dept of Transport and the CAA,the very people who are responsible for the current mess.
They will no doubt cancel his visa and sack him as this is their answer to everything .
Mr Kintau says that they will pass the IACO audit.If this happens,then ICAO personnel should be audited and their qualifications checked.
Neither the CAA or the Dept of Transport are functional and may as well shut shop;pardon,they already have.
There are no qualified inspectors in the CAA,by their own requirements anyway and they carry out no checking of any companies operating in PNG.
The people they have are incapable of doing the duties required of them, as the hold no licences and no endorsements on aircraft operating in PNG.
With respect to Patrick from Airlink,what was he doing flying at night? I thought night flying was prohibited, for the very reason he crashed,nowhere to go in an emergency.
There are virtually no serviceable navaids in the country,there are no RFF services anywhere,unreliable weather forcasts and sub standard airports that fail to meet any minimum standards as required by ICAO.
The CAA is an impediment to safety in PNG and until they employ properly qualified people with experience in the country,we will continue to see more of the above.Dept of Transport is the same
I think Sid was wasting his breath,because you can the response as written on the front page of the Nation newspaper.
Kintau and Co says they follow the NZ rules and will no doubt pass the ICAO inspection.
I dont think Joe even knows what is going on in his own department,so blame Sid ,instead of kicking a bit of backside down at 7 mile.
Good luck Sid,but nothing changes except to get worse.
They will no doubt cancel his visa and sack him as this is their answer to everything .
Mr Kintau says that they will pass the IACO audit.If this happens,then ICAO personnel should be audited and their qualifications checked.
Neither the CAA or the Dept of Transport are functional and may as well shut shop;pardon,they already have.
There are no qualified inspectors in the CAA,by their own requirements anyway and they carry out no checking of any companies operating in PNG.
The people they have are incapable of doing the duties required of them, as the hold no licences and no endorsements on aircraft operating in PNG.
With respect to Patrick from Airlink,what was he doing flying at night? I thought night flying was prohibited, for the very reason he crashed,nowhere to go in an emergency.
There are virtually no serviceable navaids in the country,there are no RFF services anywhere,unreliable weather forcasts and sub standard airports that fail to meet any minimum standards as required by ICAO.
The CAA is an impediment to safety in PNG and until they employ properly qualified people with experience in the country,we will continue to see more of the above.Dept of Transport is the same
I think Sid was wasting his breath,because you can the response as written on the front page of the Nation newspaper.
Kintau and Co says they follow the NZ rules and will no doubt pass the ICAO inspection.
I dont think Joe even knows what is going on in his own department,so blame Sid ,instead of kicking a bit of backside down at 7 mile.
Good luck Sid,but nothing changes except to get worse.
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I dont wish to labor the point,but once you cross the ranges you do not have the performance to get back to Port Moresby.
Depending on the type,you must be within 60 minutes of an adequate airport,single engine,still air.
The airport must be adequate and suitable for time of landing.In the Airlink case,there were no available airports.
POM was the only suitable airport,but not available due to performance restrictions.
Holding is not an option.When you depart,the alternate must be available,in this case it wasn`t due to first light at suitable airports
Not only this,but in the event of a fire,then you need to put down where and when you can.
Should he been able to land by first light ,then yes,but this wasn`t the case and according to the reports,if they are correct,he had to land and holding wasn`t an option.
I am not trying to start an argument on this,but at the end of the day,if you have an emergency irrespective of the Reg`s,you must have an option.Maybe Patrick didn`t,but we will nnever know.
Depending on the type,you must be within 60 minutes of an adequate airport,single engine,still air.
The airport must be adequate and suitable for time of landing.In the Airlink case,there were no available airports.
POM was the only suitable airport,but not available due to performance restrictions.
Holding is not an option.When you depart,the alternate must be available,in this case it wasn`t due to first light at suitable airports
Not only this,but in the event of a fire,then you need to put down where and when you can.
Should he been able to land by first light ,then yes,but this wasn`t the case and according to the reports,if they are correct,he had to land and holding wasn`t an option.
I am not trying to start an argument on this,but at the end of the day,if you have an emergency irrespective of the Reg`s,you must have an option.Maybe Patrick didn`t,but we will nnever know.
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Good point fugitive. Until recently it was not uncommon for the farmer fleet captain of a major airline there, to insist that it was ok to hold at night till the weather cleared at a very remote small island in a Dash8. "you can hold for two hours, you've got the fuel, it'll clear." Despite a legal requirement for an alternate.
When major companies like this are seen to behave this way, what chance does a poor little GA bloke like Patrick have to stand up against his shonky little company? Particularly when pilots cannot get support from their follow workers. I guess we know the answer now......
Thanks for having the moxie to do what others wouldn't Sid. http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/.../eusa_wall.gif
And just remember fella's, "the tractor doesn't know you're sick!"
When major companies like this are seen to behave this way, what chance does a poor little GA bloke like Patrick have to stand up against his shonky little company? Particularly when pilots cannot get support from their follow workers. I guess we know the answer now......
Thanks for having the moxie to do what others wouldn't Sid. http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/.../eusa_wall.gif
And just remember fella's, "the tractor doesn't know you're sick!"
What about Nadzab being an suitable night alternate,no performance problems in between Kandrian and Nadzab last time I checked.
Kunaye at night in a Dash 8 in ****ty WX ? Well this topic has been beaten to death by many especially on line checks with the checkie concerned.
Is Sid O'Toole still in country or has he been deported ?
Kunaye at night in a Dash 8 in ****ty WX ? Well this topic has been beaten to death by many especially on line checks with the checkie concerned.
Is Sid O'Toole still in country or has he been deported ?
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I think you are right,This subject has been beaten to death,but you should check your requirements for an alternate and Nadzab doesn`t meet the criteria.
It is of course,somewhere you would head for,but is not a legal alternate .
The problem here,is where do you draw the line and you only find out when there is an accident.
There appears to be little understanding of regulations.I thought that would be a requirement of a professional pilot.
It is of course,somewhere you would head for,but is not a legal alternate .
The problem here,is where do you draw the line and you only find out when there is an accident.
There appears to be little understanding of regulations.I thought that would be a requirement of a professional pilot.
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chimbu warrier...agreed...how about we consider RFF in remote areas in Oz first before we start bitching about the Mt Hagen RFF... how long do you think it will take for the fire truck from Wasaga (Horn Island village) to arrive if a fully loaded Q400 crashes on HID's RWY 08!!!
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Post Courier Fri 12th
"Air crash commission set up
AN independent body has been set up to probe aircraft accidents and crashes and recommend improvements on air safety.
Transport Civil Aviation and Works Minister Don Polye announced yesterday the establishment of the body as the Accident Investigation Commission (AIC).
He said the commission would investigate aircraft accidents and make recommendations to improve air safety.
The commission has been established in compliance with the Civil Aviation Act 2000 and International Civil Aviation Convention Annex (13) which obligates ICAO member states to have an impartial and totally independent body to investigate aircraft accidents and incidents.
According to the yearly aircraft accident statistics provided by investigators from the Department of Transport, a total of 44 aircraft accidents occurred since the year 2000.
Mr Polye said there were 16 pending aircraft accidents that the commission would need to look into, starting in the first quarter of next year. The three-man commission is made up of chairman Paulus Dowa, Minson Peni, one of PNG’s pioneer pilots, who is deputy chairman and Nahau Rooney, a former minister of Civil Aviation.
“I have every confidence in their appointments and undertake to work closely with them to ensure that the AIC performs its management roles to the fullest extent,” Mr Polye said.
The commission will have a budget of K4.16 million set aside in the 2009 budget.
Mr Polye said the AIC should be fully operational by the first quarter of next year.
An interim chief executive officer for the commission will also be decided soon.
“The appointment is necessary to progress the transition of the current investigation unit currently under the Department of Transport into the commission.
“When the AIC is fully operational the commissioners will deal with all outstanding air accident reports and recommend their release through my office,” Mr Polye said."
"Air crash commission set up
AN independent body has been set up to probe aircraft accidents and crashes and recommend improvements on air safety.
Transport Civil Aviation and Works Minister Don Polye announced yesterday the establishment of the body as the Accident Investigation Commission (AIC).
He said the commission would investigate aircraft accidents and make recommendations to improve air safety.
The commission has been established in compliance with the Civil Aviation Act 2000 and International Civil Aviation Convention Annex (13) which obligates ICAO member states to have an impartial and totally independent body to investigate aircraft accidents and incidents.
According to the yearly aircraft accident statistics provided by investigators from the Department of Transport, a total of 44 aircraft accidents occurred since the year 2000.
Mr Polye said there were 16 pending aircraft accidents that the commission would need to look into, starting in the first quarter of next year. The three-man commission is made up of chairman Paulus Dowa, Minson Peni, one of PNG’s pioneer pilots, who is deputy chairman and Nahau Rooney, a former minister of Civil Aviation.
“I have every confidence in their appointments and undertake to work closely with them to ensure that the AIC performs its management roles to the fullest extent,” Mr Polye said.
The commission will have a budget of K4.16 million set aside in the 2009 budget.
Mr Polye said the AIC should be fully operational by the first quarter of next year.
An interim chief executive officer for the commission will also be decided soon.
“The appointment is necessary to progress the transition of the current investigation unit currently under the Department of Transport into the commission.
“When the AIC is fully operational the commissioners will deal with all outstanding air accident reports and recommend their release through my office,” Mr Polye said."
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Ijust registered with pprune. In regard to the title, I would like to thank all those who contributed to this site with messages of support.
My neck was put on the line but it was worth it in the longrun despite nothing changing much. typical of PNG all political talk talk and no action
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Ijust registered with pprune. In regard to the title, I would like to thank all those who contributed to this site with messages of support.
My neck was put on the line but it was worth it in the longrun despite nothing changing much. typical of PNG all political talk talk and no action
thanks to all Sid Otoole
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Inspite of the accuracy and validity of what was raised in "Foreign Correspondent", PNG lacks the political ability and will to address all the county's deficiencies.
Aviation is just one of the numerous competing priorities this stuningly beautiful country needs to address.
Education, Health, Security the list is endless, mind you fix the graft and corruption within the political and public service areas and you might just have a chance of seeing the "Land of the Unexpected" raise itself to the level of at least a 3rd world country.
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Aviation is just one of the numerous competing priorities this stuningly beautiful country needs to address.
Education, Health, Security the list is endless, mind you fix the graft and corruption within the political and public service areas and you might just have a chance of seeing the "Land of the Unexpected" raise itself to the level of at least a 3rd world country.
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Aviation is just one of the numerous competing priorities this stuningly beautiful country needs to address.
Education, Health, Security the list is endless
Education, Health, Security the list is endless
PNG is paradise spoiled by greed and corruption. Few countries have the potential that PNG does, but effective and transparent leadership is sadly lacking. Unless, and until, leadership is shown, the place is doomed.
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The country had very good infrastructure, good rural health care, education and governance. As many have stated, Whitlam was ten years early in his thinking, maybe pushed on by UN trends.
The country had very good infrastructure, good rural health care, education and governance. As many have stated, Whitlam was ten years early in his thinking, maybe pushed on by UN trends.
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As someone who lived there for short periods before, during and after independence, I'd have to agree that the Australian colonial yoke, whilst obviously not perfect, was a pretty light one for most local people and for all its faults, provided a far better life for all Papua New Guineans (with the possible exception for today's small elite who find themselves at the top of the fast-withering tree and the most successfu raskols - who may be one in the same people) than they enjoy today.
I can only join others in saying it is the most magnificent country, with the best people one could hope to meet. But sadly, as politically incorrect as it might be to say it, despite very generous, (most would say extraordinarily generous) Australian assistance since independence, the people now running the country have proven themsleves to have been not ready to rule.
Thanks in part to all those Australian dollars, it has taken a few more years to get there than it did most post-independence African countries, but PNG is today fast descending into what has become the standard downhill road for most independent African countries and faces the real risk of disintegration into many disparate semi-independant mini (failed) states under the guise of Federalism.
I don't know if Australia can afford to have a half dozen failed states on its doorstep given the way Al Qaeda and similar organisations have taken advantage of similar situations elsewhere in the world. Unfortunately, with the current financial crisis beginning to bite, I don't know whether Australia will be able to afford (in monetary terms) to do anything about it, particularly as it lacks the necessary appropriate military hardware (and manpower) to mount an effective force in the area.
See the "The AFD Buys Another Lemon" thread on the Militay page to get an idea of what I'm on about with that comment.
I can only join others in saying it is the most magnificent country, with the best people one could hope to meet. But sadly, as politically incorrect as it might be to say it, despite very generous, (most would say extraordinarily generous) Australian assistance since independence, the people now running the country have proven themsleves to have been not ready to rule.
Thanks in part to all those Australian dollars, it has taken a few more years to get there than it did most post-independence African countries, but PNG is today fast descending into what has become the standard downhill road for most independent African countries and faces the real risk of disintegration into many disparate semi-independant mini (failed) states under the guise of Federalism.
I don't know if Australia can afford to have a half dozen failed states on its doorstep given the way Al Qaeda and similar organisations have taken advantage of similar situations elsewhere in the world. Unfortunately, with the current financial crisis beginning to bite, I don't know whether Australia will be able to afford (in monetary terms) to do anything about it, particularly as it lacks the necessary appropriate military hardware (and manpower) to mount an effective force in the area.
See the "The AFD Buys Another Lemon" thread on the Militay page to get an idea of what I'm on about with that comment.
Apinun Sid! Long taim mi no lukim yu!!!
I saw your brief moment of TV fame. Glad someone had the guts to stand up and be counted.
Sharpie, Whitlam was not ahead of his time, he was just another non understandling meddler in the history of PNG. Long may we celebrate Armistice Day, 1975.
The PNG people should have been granted the right of Self Determination. Instead, Independence was forced on the country by a rabid UN delegation and a compliant Australian Government, well ahead of it's time.
What you see now in PNG, is the product of those attrocious decisions almost forty years ago.
I saw your brief moment of TV fame. Glad someone had the guts to stand up and be counted.
Sharpie, Whitlam was not ahead of his time, he was just another non understandling meddler in the history of PNG. Long may we celebrate Armistice Day, 1975.
The PNG people should have been granted the right of Self Determination. Instead, Independence was forced on the country by a rabid UN delegation and a compliant Australian Government, well ahead of it's time.
What you see now in PNG, is the product of those attrocious decisions almost forty years ago.