NSW Police Officer Boards Plane with Gun
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NSW Police Officer Boards Plane with Gun
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AFP investigates after armed officer boards plane
ABC website - today
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) is reviewing security at Sydney Airport after a New South Wales police officer boarded a flight with his gun.
The officer was dressed in full uniform and on duty when he boarded a flight from Sydney to the Gold Coast yesterday morning.
The AFP has referred the matter to the New South Wales police to decide whether any action should be taken against the officer.
A review of security arrangements at the airport is now underway.
AFP investigates after armed officer boards plane
ABC website - today
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) is reviewing security at Sydney Airport after a New South Wales police officer boarded a flight with his gun.
The officer was dressed in full uniform and on duty when he boarded a flight from Sydney to the Gold Coast yesterday morning.
The AFP has referred the matter to the New South Wales police to decide whether any action should be taken against the officer.
A review of security arrangements at the airport is now underway.
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It's OK! Don't panic!
In a massive blow to terrorism and a great triumph for Western Democratic values and the effort to keep our air travellers safe, my last 125g tube of toothpaste was detected, apprehended, defused and safely disposed of by the authorities.
In a massive blow to terrorism and a great triumph for Western Democratic values and the effort to keep our air travellers safe, my last 125g tube of toothpaste was detected, apprehended, defused and safely disposed of by the authorities.
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Those Virgin pax should consider them selves lucky that he wasn't carrying anything dangerous like the little nail file inside nail clippers. He mighta used it to stab his way into the flight deck! 
I wonder if the checked his aerosol cans for lids??
I wonder if the checked his aerosol cans for lids??
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Based on what is in the news report - I'd say there are a few screening officers that do NOT know what they are doing.
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Fair call Dutchroll . . . I don't know how many times I have seen metal forks, glass drinking glasses and token plastic knives served up with the food.
Even so . . . a gun on board makes you wonder what is going on. Unfortunately I was once stuck behind a guy in the X-Ray machine in the US who had a hand gun in his bag - he could not see the problem.
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Even so . . . a gun on board makes you wonder what is going on. Unfortunately I was once stuck behind a guy in the X-Ray machine in the US who had a hand gun in his bag - he could not see the problem.
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Nearly a year ago I made an anonymous call and written statement to BASI saying that I had seen a knife go through the X-Ray machine at MEL . . . it apparently was in the lunch box of a security guy who waved off his mate and said it would be OK.
I could not get a name or number out of anyone airside so rang BASI . . . and documented the case.
Never heard a thing . . .
I could not get a name or number out of anyone airside so rang BASI . . . and documented the case.
Never heard a thing . . .
Nunc est bibendum
I worked passenger screening more than a decade ago. Back then we were told to question any police member carrying a firearm as to whether they were traveling on an aircraft and if that they were traveling then they were NOT permitted to carry firearm on board.
The question for me though......why was the officer traveling in uniform? Was he asked the question? If so, what did he say? This could be very nasty for him/her if the security guys did the right thing and he fobbed them off due to not wanting to go through the hassle of going back to the Airport station and surrendering his appointments.
The question for me though......why was the officer traveling in uniform? Was he asked the question? If so, what did he say? This could be very nasty for him/her if the security guys did the right thing and he fobbed them off due to not wanting to go through the hassle of going back to the Airport station and surrendering his appointments.
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Thank God Qantas Security do their bit to keep the airways safe by not allowing family members on the flightdeck! Hell the missus might nag you to death rather than get shot by a copper.Lucky he wasn't a Victorian cop, shoot first ask questions later or a Queensland cop for that matter, they're supposed to be the best police force money can buy, aren't they?
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Suppose the copper will be up for a fine of $10,000, ouch!
What's that sign on the aerobridge read?
Commonwealth of Australia
WARNING!
Airside area
Unauthorised possession of weapons
prohibited.
Maximum penalty exceeds $10,000
(Aviation Transport Security Act 2004 and Aviation transport
Security regulations 2005)
What's that sign on the aerobridge read?
Commonwealth of Australia
WARNING!
Airside area
Unauthorised possession of weapons
prohibited.
Maximum penalty exceeds $10,000
(Aviation Transport Security Act 2004 and Aviation transport
Security regulations 2005)
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If the security crew were real pros they would have checked his bag for Jeppesens:
"Oh yeah, the Glock's OK- but 'they're' hiding knives in the spines of binders these days'
"Oh yeah, the Glock's OK- but 'they're' hiding knives in the spines of binders these days'
Can it be assumed the Captain denied entry or had the offending numbskull removed? If not, why not?
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Time for the popcorn, this could be a good one.............
I have a couple of thoughts- (1) it appears to be irregular that an on duty member of NSWPF, travelling to another jurisdiction would do so via a RPT flight whilst in full uniform and tooled up.....I would have though incognito is the way to go
(2) As per Keg's comment, there were a number of points at which he should have been advised that carriage on board in flight is not ok including at check in, at the gate, at the aircraft and once on board. This is the first time I've heard of this occurring, so it appears to be a systemic failure to ask a simple question - ie " Are you travelling today sir?" .
There are now so many police on airport as part of their duties the screening point is not going to stop each and every one, but there are other checkpoints for boarding pax where it should have been noted. And normally when the balloon goes up, crew are expecting the cavalry to arrive. Cops don't normally arrive unannounced at the door, it's usually in response to a incident. I just don't get the fact he boarded and no one said anything. Go figure. I guess a few different folks could be working a check in counter, station desk or answering a phone for a while to reflect on what happended! Maybe he read about what happened to poor Schapelle with those horrible baggage handlers and didn't trust putting the said lead chucker through the hold with a big identifying sticker on the bag.......
And the weapon is not unauthorised until the doors close and the A/C goes mobile! At which point, see exhibit A, the paper trail and blame game starts. I note the AFP have thrown the footy as fast as they can to avoid involvement
I have a couple of thoughts- (1) it appears to be irregular that an on duty member of NSWPF, travelling to another jurisdiction would do so via a RPT flight whilst in full uniform and tooled up.....I would have though incognito is the way to go
(2) As per Keg's comment, there were a number of points at which he should have been advised that carriage on board in flight is not ok including at check in, at the gate, at the aircraft and once on board. This is the first time I've heard of this occurring, so it appears to be a systemic failure to ask a simple question - ie " Are you travelling today sir?" .
There are now so many police on airport as part of their duties the screening point is not going to stop each and every one, but there are other checkpoints for boarding pax where it should have been noted. And normally when the balloon goes up, crew are expecting the cavalry to arrive. Cops don't normally arrive unannounced at the door, it's usually in response to a incident. I just don't get the fact he boarded and no one said anything. Go figure. I guess a few different folks could be working a check in counter, station desk or answering a phone for a while to reflect on what happended! Maybe he read about what happened to poor Schapelle with those horrible baggage handlers and didn't trust putting the said lead chucker through the hold with a big identifying sticker on the bag.......
And the weapon is not unauthorised until the doors close and the A/C goes mobile! At which point, see exhibit A, the paper trail and blame game starts. I note the AFP have thrown the footy as fast as they can to avoid involvement
traveling then they were NOT permitted to carry firearm on board. It's my understanding that although they are not allowed to bring the weapon into the cabin, uniformed cops on duty are not required to be security-screened at the security checkpoint. If he bypassed the dikes and rent-a-cops at the x-rays, he probably missed the chance to be told upfront of the requirement to stow his weapon for the flight.
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What, for crying out loud, stops a cop being blackmailed by those nasty terrorists (eg, cop's family at home at gun-point), and doing exactly this: walk through a screening point totally unchallenged, and hand off his gun to another of those nasty terrorists? You know, a bit like the DOTARS* paranoia that a PILOT is going to sneak something through in a 125g tube of toothpaste!
Or what stops Johnny Terrorist stealing a cop uniform and doing this? Nothing! And everybody in the industry knows it. And nobody, but nobody, wants to address it.
Well, now maybe they'll have to do something about those nasty cops. Never mind, Johnny Terrorist, you can still target all the airside workers who go airside via the side doors, STILL totally unscreened!
"Oh, we might have to review security at airports in the light of this", they say. God almighty.....
I'll let you in on a secret: there is no threat! Again, slowly: there is no threat. Because if there was, it would certainly have manifested itself by now, with all the holes that we all know are there.
But just keep on pi$$ing off the pilots. That's making aviation safer by the day. NOT.
* Or whatever they call themselves this week.
Or what stops Johnny Terrorist stealing a cop uniform and doing this? Nothing! And everybody in the industry knows it. And nobody, but nobody, wants to address it.
Well, now maybe they'll have to do something about those nasty cops. Never mind, Johnny Terrorist, you can still target all the airside workers who go airside via the side doors, STILL totally unscreened!
"Oh, we might have to review security at airports in the light of this", they say. God almighty.....
I'll let you in on a secret: there is no threat! Again, slowly: there is no threat. Because if there was, it would certainly have manifested itself by now, with all the holes that we all know are there.
But just keep on pi$$ing off the pilots. That's making aviation safer by the day. NOT.
* Or whatever they call themselves this week.
The most dangerous item VB passengers could be faced with is an industrial-size bottle of deodorant.
I don't get how pilots need to be screened (yeah, because they might have a knife in order to gain access to the cockpit!) but other people don't!
Fair enough in a way to screen the pilots, as someone could just get hold of a uniform otherwise and breeze on through. But surely the same should apply to EVERYONE!!! Just cause they get screened wouldn't mean the cops have to leave their 9mm outside, but they would have to prove they needed it. Makes a damn sight more sense to screen someone who is DEFINITELY carrying a lethal weapon (not the DVD) than it does to screen someone whos job is to sit in the pointy end, and who may possibly just maybe be carrying the tweezers of doom!
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Great, just gunna make those envigilants in Brisbekistan even more, well, envigilant Hope they at least got his toothpaste Still dont know how I get through with my hands intact everyday
Hope they at least got his toothpaste Still dont know how I get through with my hands intact everyday
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My question is a simple one...
If it's true that Cops don't get screened.... (I assume it's because they have been security assessed)
Why do aircrew have to go through the process? (haven't we been security assessed as well)?
If it's true that Cops don't get screened.... (I assume it's because they have been security assessed)
Why do aircrew have to go through the process? (haven't we been security assessed as well)?
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A gun? is that all?
check this snippet from the 'sideswipe' column in the NZ Herald
"security had stopped him but had let him through because it wasn't one of the things on their list to confiscate."
WTF?!?!!?!? Who trains these people?
check this snippet from the 'sideswipe' column in the NZ Herald
"security had stopped him but had let him through because it wasn't one of the things on their list to confiscate."
WTF?!?!!?!? Who trains these people?