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Old 30th May 2008, 07:26
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457 visas are temporary and have a max validity of four years.
Bulltish. They can be extended and extended and extended. I personally know an expat person who has been on a 457 now for 12 years!
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Old 30th May 2008, 08:55
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I suspect however that the labour government would go to extrordinary lengths to see that pilots didn't get significant pay rises as it would go against their manifesto.
Hmmmm, you mean very much like another labor government did back in that year we dare not mention here?

The more thngs change, the more they stay the same. But isn't it curious how it always seem to be the Party that supposedly stands for "the worker" and workers' rights that seems to be 100% behind the big Corporations when they are screwing the working conditions of Australians by bringing in cheap foreign labour under one guise or another?
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Old 30th May 2008, 10:55
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Any more personal attacks on Laurie Cox, or any other person, will result in the poster being banned.

Do I make myself fairly clear?
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Old 30th May 2008, 11:05
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Much as I thought... the average Aussie is parochial and pretty xenophobic, you could never see the benefit of employing X amount of foreign talent to help create a more prosperous and vibrant industry for Australia.

Its your loss, thankfully most European Pilots don't want to work in such an environment...good luck with the Garuda, One Time Pilots your companies will employ.
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Old 30th May 2008, 11:43
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So, what do we think?...

should Dogmas post be removed also?...

coz it might offend our sensibilities?
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Old 30th May 2008, 12:29
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Why do I get the horrible, horrible feeling I have seen this all once before?
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Old 30th May 2008, 14:00
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The sad point here is that this was always going to happen. Unfortunately Aussie pilots often lack the testeclae to say NO and stand up for what is right. Unfortunately, this has been a reoccurring theme since year dot. The YES voters and the UNION need to think about where they stand now. Getting that all important bonus this year? I don't think so!!!

DM
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Old 30th May 2008, 22:40
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Much Ado - time to close this post please. it is dragging on and on
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Old 31st May 2008, 01:52
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Much Ado,

Personal attacks on the AFAP and LC are warranted, what have they done for the industry over the 20 years....nothing!!!!

This is one of the only places where we can togther hopefully put pressure on these groups to start doing what they are getting PAID for......

Also it a good release of fraustration for some people...

Anyway something to think about....

Also, i hate to see you going the way of Tinbindilla, removing posts if you disagree with them...after all we live in AUS (freedom of speech welcomed)
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Old 31st May 2008, 04:13
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Two points

First
If you are a paying member of AFAP you have the right to attempt to influence it. Lawrie MUSt listen to the members. They pay him.
Lawrie does NOT have the right to spend members' money on the wishes of non members.
Second
"The freedom of the press furnishes that check upon government which no constitution has ever been able to provide"--Chicago Tribune.
I believe the freedom of discusssion is just as imortant. Wherever we find people unable to to speak as they want we have serious problems.
Too much censorship will reduce the credibility of Prune.
But surely we can make our points withiout personal aatacks.
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Old 31st May 2008, 09:34
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One does wonder why the AFAP, and the Industrial Relations Manager, seem to be protected by the mods from any criticism from prune posters.

Over the last few years the AFAP, and the Industrial Relations Manager, have not impressed many of us and when we indicate this they reply with put downs to the rank and file members.

It's about time that the AFAP, and the Industrial Relations Manager, listened to the concerns of the rank and file members.

If they now rubbish this post, why will I not be surprised!
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Old 31st May 2008, 10:32
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If I was removing posts just because I disagreed with the content this entire thread would not exist...and MANY others!!!

One of the really disappointing aspects of BB's like PPRuNe is it gives voice to people who really have absolutely nothing worth saying, certainly nothing worth listening too.

Virtually none of you are in possession of all the facts and as such you have absolutely no right to attack anyone personally.

This BB is about robust debate where, hopefully, people contributing will learn something they don't already know...but that cannot happen when childish, vitriolic attacks are a constant feature.

More than a few of you need to take a long hard look at what is going on in the world around you and start interacting with it as adults rather than spoilt children.

Play the ball not the man or this thread will be locked.
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Old 31st May 2008, 10:37
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Any more personal attacks on Laurie Cox, or any other person, will result in the poster being banned.
One does wonder why the AFAP, and the Industrial Relations Manager, seem to be protected by the mods from any criticism from prune posters.
There is a difference, criticise the AFAP as is your right. OR vote someone else in to the job!
Remember, the union is supposed to serve the members................


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More than a few of you need to take a long hard look at what is going on in the world around you and start interacting with it as adults rather than spoilt children.

Play the ball not the man
Can't agree more Much Ado.
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Old 31st May 2008, 10:54
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Well, our moderator makes it quite clear, doesn't he?

Our opinions are worth nothing compared to his.

Thanks for that!

Cheers.

Wrong amos2...but you can take a break and give your brain a chance.

Much Ado
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Old 31st May 2008, 11:04
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Sadly you seem to miss the point.

"Play the ball NOT the man".................................................
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Old 31st May 2008, 11:27
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So, what ball are you talking about, mate?
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Old 31st May 2008, 11:37
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Sorry, not going to bite.............
Please READ posts #153 & #152, in that order.
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Old 31st May 2008, 13:09
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The Federation needs your help to identify any Australian pilots who have applied and hold Command on an Airbus type such as 320/330/340.
I don't understand the relervance of this. Surely it must apply to any Australian Pilots that hold Jet Command time on any type.

Remember that the initial Jet* A320 skippers were previously flying the B717 and they were obviously able to convert ok. I know Pilots who went from 146 Command to B767 Command in Japan without problems. Likewise 146 Command to B717 ala NJS without any drama yet I also know of at least half a dozen (without counting) Pilots with many thousands of hours in Command 146 and 717 who have applied to Jet* but cannot even obtain an interview.

I think that the AFAP need to broaden their arguement to include all of those Australian Pilots who are qualified, even if they do not currently hold an Airbus rating.
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Old 31st May 2008, 14:30
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I for one think that the influx of foriegn pilots will be a GOOD thing for OZ, it may start to dilute the backwards superiority complex that seems to run through your aviation scene. This is the way of the world guys, on one hand you all p*ss and moan about JQ terms and conditions with many stating you wouldn't work for them and then on the other hand get upset when JQ looks further afield. Yes there maybe qualified pilots in OZ who could get a job with JQ at entry level, but how many airbus rated pilots with international experience in both seats that can be taken as DEC are there knocking about?? Not many I would suspect. I, as a foriegn pilot, applied and went through the selection process, I have been told that I am 'suitable for employment' and will be contacted when the current recruitment situation is resolved. I can't wait to get down to OZ where I am sure I will be welcomed with open arms.

OLLY ONION
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Old 31st May 2008, 14:34
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And on that note this thread has run it's course...
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