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Old 23rd Jul 2008, 23:59
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SOPS - What about ETOPS? I'm not a jet pilot (PPL holder) but wondering what routing the 777 would take to JNB?
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Twin engined aircraft flights from SYD to JNB would basically have to fly further north than the QF B744 flights. This would be to remain within the "still air" ETOPS range ((calculated at a fast single engine speed), which I believe is a little over 5 hours for the B777-300ER) of suitable alternate airports such as Perth, Cocos Is, St Denis, Mauritius, Durban etc. The planned route would have to look at the depressurisation case so that at all times the aircraft remains within range of a suitable airport flying at 14,000'/10,000' after loss of pressurisation.

The route flown from SYD to JNB by a twin would on most occasions be significantly longer than the four engined route - not only in the distance flown over the earths surface but also because it would require flying into stronger headwinds/jetstreams. Often, the optimum SYD-JNB route involves flying a long way south over the Antarctic land mass but QF operations limit the flights to remain north of the continent (approx 65 degrees South) due to depressurisation issues - Antarctica has a very high plateau in that area.

The twin engined aircraft would not be at a disadvantage on the return flight from JNB as the optimum route is normally further north to take advantage of the tailwinds ie within the ETOPS/depressurisation limits.
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Thank you for the explanation GB. I'm hoping they give the crew at least 48hr downtime in JNB after a 15+ flight time.
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In the late 1990s, QF started making patterns that had a 29 hour slip in JNB and AIPA took the matter to the Industrial Relations Commission. They were successful with the grievance due to safety/fatigue - and that was for PER-JNB-PER operations. The longer SYD-JNB-SYD ops definitely need 48 hours due to the length of the flight and the 9 hour time zone change - the biggest change in a single sector in QF ops.
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Thanks again GB. I doubt the FAAA for those of those on the other side of the F/D would be able to pull such weight with the IRC.

Let hope the patterns are 48hr+ in JNB although V Australia are saying less than 30hrs in LAX for the flight attendants and the time difference is even greater so we will have to wait and see.

Have any F/D crew who are planning to go to V Australia been told their slip time in LAX?

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Hey there ,

I hear 2 local nights and from what flight details say the crew would get there at 16.30 local in LA

Sydney - Los Angeles Monday, December 15, 2008

Depart Arrive Flight Via Stops Aircraft Duration Days of Operation
Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su
21:45 16:30 VA1 Non-Stop 77W 13h45m


Los Angeles - Sydney Monday, December 15, 2008

Depart Arrive Flight Via Stops Aircraft Duration Days of Operation
Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su
23:30 09:20 +2 VA2 Non-Stop 77W 14h50m
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Let hope the patterns are 48hr+ in JNB although V Australia are saying less than 30hrs in LAX for the flight attendants and the time difference is even greater so we will have to wait and see.
Flights to LAX have a 6-7 hour time zone change (depending on daylight saving). SYD-JNB with 9 hours is definitely the biggest time zone change.
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Sorry GB I must have been given the wrong information. When I Googled it the result came back as 17 hours time difference.

Cheers for clearing that up.

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r3p you are correct with the 17 hr time zone change but that is because you cross the international dateline and go back a day. The 'actual' time zone change ,as far as the body clock is concerned, from Sydney is 7 hrs ahead ie 1200 Tuesday in SYD but 1900 Monday in LAX. Easily confused and one of the hardest things about flying to LA is working out the time.The other thing is staying awake.
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I think I need to buy a dual time watch

Off to ebay to find one....
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What will the VAustralia conditions for FA's, Team Leader and Cabin Manager be? Thinking of applying...
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V Australia Thread

Have a look on the V Australia Cabin Crew thread under Wannabe's...
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Well that was an intellegent post wasn't it??
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Yeah, didn't make much sense to me either. Unless someone got a knockback.......
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WTF is JS?

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Quote: "WTF is JS?

JT"

I believe he may be referring to the only airline in the world that is "one star and proud of it!!"

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Thx mate. I should have realised that. I am so used to seeing the usual abbreviation that it did not register.

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V Oz to JNB

I don't know how V Oz is expecting to operate SYD to JNB. The performance and max uplift from JNB will be quite limited due to the airport elevation of 5558ft.
The numbers I come up with are about 302.8t T/O weight. (this is using 30C, QNH 1013 and nil wind on Rwy 03L). With 15degrees its 318.8t.
Probably not going to work very well for a least half of the year due to high temperature alone.
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Jenna Talia and that einstein who replied to your query about "JS" - Ever hear the term "Jack ****"?
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Old 31st Jul 2008, 10:47
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QF is weight restricted due this also
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