Merged: 7.30 Report, Pilot's shortage (03 April 08)
They Deserve it!!!
I just watched a replay on the website and CM didn't say that the QantasLink guys were staying in the Qantas Group - he said, "A few will leave, but most of them stay within Australia". As the majority are going to Virgin Blue then, I guess he is correct.
I agree with the previous posts about how uncomfortable he looked.
I agree with the previous posts about how uncomfortable he looked.
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GB
Small correction needed:
Transcript straight off the ABC 7:30 Report Website: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s2207270.htm#
Regards
TJ
P.S. When will these management types wake up and see the real world as it really is?
Small correction needed:
CAPT. CHRIS MANNING, QANTAS CHIEF PILOT: Our salaries and our conditions are certainly equal of any in the world. We don't, we're not seeing Qantas pilots leave and go overseas.
Regards
TJ
P.S. When will these management types wake up and see the real world as it really is?
CM was my mentor in QF. I left QF to work overseas. Better renumeration and better long term prospects. So he really is speaking with forked tongue.
Anyhow some will whinge, some will quietly suffer and some will take action. It will not be until a lot more take action that chief pilots will wake up, then most probably they will move on and leave the fix to someone else.
Anyhow some will whinge, some will quietly suffer and some will take action. It will not be until a lot more take action that chief pilots will wake up, then most probably they will move on and leave the fix to someone else.
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You had to keep listening GB:
REBECCA BAILLIE: But there are Qantaslink pilots leaving, aren't there?
CAPT. CHRIS MANNING: A few will leave, but most of them stay within Australia.
REBECCA BAILLIE: Qantas chief pilot Chris Manning admitted more than 20 per cent of Qantaslink pilots have left the carrier this financial year alone. He says the majority have gone to jobs with Qantas mainline or Jetstar.
Personally I have no idea whether most are going to QF or Jetstar, but from what I hear the majority aren't, rather going to VB as you said GB. Why would he say that when it clearly isn't true?
Oh and anyone who missed it, here is a link to the video: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s2207270.htm#
REBECCA BAILLIE: But there are Qantaslink pilots leaving, aren't there?
CAPT. CHRIS MANNING: A few will leave, but most of them stay within Australia.
REBECCA BAILLIE: Qantas chief pilot Chris Manning admitted more than 20 per cent of Qantaslink pilots have left the carrier this financial year alone. He says the majority have gone to jobs with Qantas mainline or Jetstar.
Personally I have no idea whether most are going to QF or Jetstar, but from what I hear the majority aren't, rather going to VB as you said GB. Why would he say that when it clearly isn't true?
Oh and anyone who missed it, here is a link to the video: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s2207270.htm#
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I'd almost be willing to bet a month's pay that not once in the program was a certain government's and airline management decision to crush a union back in "that-year-no-one-dares-mention" mentioned as the root cause of the current malaise - and that the Silver Haired Bodgie, who still pulls in his generous parliamentary pension, was responsible for it for reasons we-dare-not-mention-here.
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If recent crisis meetings at QLink are any thing to go by, Manning may not have been given the correct info regarding pilot numbers.
My review of numbers leaving North Eastern (formerely Sunstate) since Jan 07
shows 58% of the pilots have left - 4% overseas, 6% mainline, 9% jetstar, 39% Virgin. The most pertinant fact is that all senior C&T captains are leaving for Virgin.
My review of numbers leaving North Eastern (formerely Sunstate) since Jan 07
shows 58% of the pilots have left - 4% overseas, 6% mainline, 9% jetstar, 39% Virgin. The most pertinant fact is that all senior C&T captains are leaving for Virgin.
Amazing how Rex is willing to put on media releases about how bad the problem is blaming all the majors for 'poaching' their pilots, and when they had a free opportunity to talk about it on a tv show dedicated to the issue that they suddenly went all quiet ? Strange.
I thought Ian Woods hit the nail on the head. "You pay, your crews will stay; end of story"
Also the AFAP dude who said something about the low wages after large training outlays.
These were the only comments of fact in the story
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Give Chris a break for just one minute.
This problem started back in the days of Ray. He was a yes man who sold out the soul of flt ops. When there was a pilot shortage, rather than address it, he became dual endorsed!!!
Then came Poor sad old Ian, a man simply lost in the circus. He time is imfamous for its nothingness, a complete blumbler. So flt ops relevance slid even further.
And now Chris, Unfortunately, being a union boss with no management experience did not equip him well for the role. Now we pay the price.
Chris has known there was a problem coming for a long time. Unfortunately the Chief Pilot of QF is a long ....long ......... long way down the food chain. His best mate Big Pete ignored him, little John ignored him. That is an indication of the true relevance of the pilot management group to GD and co in the airline.
Chris is now the fall guy. Whether you feel sorry or not for him does not matter
Why was he speaking for the other group airlines? He has no responsibility or accounability for them. Where was little AJ? He is one person who will always be remembered in Australian aviation, him and his HR "wizard" (RG), the man who is prepared to pay upto $450K for key pilots from other airlines but unwilling to look after his own
The story Chris was required to tell last night would have been scripted by the PR people. He was the messenger.
The real question for Chris is simple. Am I prepared to give up my integrity to save a has been executive team.
We all know he was telling lies last night. Let no one be fooled, except the fools!!
This problem started back in the days of Ray. He was a yes man who sold out the soul of flt ops. When there was a pilot shortage, rather than address it, he became dual endorsed!!!
Then came Poor sad old Ian, a man simply lost in the circus. He time is imfamous for its nothingness, a complete blumbler. So flt ops relevance slid even further.
And now Chris, Unfortunately, being a union boss with no management experience did not equip him well for the role. Now we pay the price.
Chris has known there was a problem coming for a long time. Unfortunately the Chief Pilot of QF is a long ....long ......... long way down the food chain. His best mate Big Pete ignored him, little John ignored him. That is an indication of the true relevance of the pilot management group to GD and co in the airline.
Chris is now the fall guy. Whether you feel sorry or not for him does not matter
Why was he speaking for the other group airlines? He has no responsibility or accounability for them. Where was little AJ? He is one person who will always be remembered in Australian aviation, him and his HR "wizard" (RG), the man who is prepared to pay upto $450K for key pilots from other airlines but unwilling to look after his own
The story Chris was required to tell last night would have been scripted by the PR people. He was the messenger.
The real question for Chris is simple. Am I prepared to give up my integrity to save a has been executive team.
We all know he was telling lies last night. Let no one be fooled, except the fools!!
Quote:
"The real question for Chris is simple. Am I prepared to give up my integrity to save a has been executive team."
I guess we all now know the answer to that one!
"The real question for Chris is simple. Am I prepared to give up my integrity to save a has been executive team."
I guess we all now know the answer to that one!
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Interesting that most in here where dissapointed that REX made a 'no show' (me to dissapointed) but what do you all really think REX would have said if they did turn up?
We are going to keep our pilots (what's left of them) by paying good wages? I DON'T THINK SO!
We are training cadets to be part of a wider based crew resource that will ultimately be experienced enough to take CMD in a year or so? I DON'T THINK SO!
We believe that there's no real pilot shortage just a fast moving industry that we are handling by way of blaming others. CORRECT, but then again the tooth fairy also tells lies!, dollar under my pillow. pffffft what about GST?
In a strange sort of way am glad REX never showed up, the last thing we pilots need is BS that's made public!
CW
We are going to keep our pilots (what's left of them) by paying good wages? I DON'T THINK SO!
We are training cadets to be part of a wider based crew resource that will ultimately be experienced enough to take CMD in a year or so? I DON'T THINK SO!
We believe that there's no real pilot shortage just a fast moving industry that we are handling by way of blaming others. CORRECT, but then again the tooth fairy also tells lies!, dollar under my pillow. pffffft what about GST?
In a strange sort of way am glad REX never showed up, the last thing we pilots need is BS that's made public!
CW
I don't know the CP so he could be a vibrant, personality plus guy.
But on last nights performance he certainly looked uncomfortable and spoke in an unconvincing manner.
Not leader material on that performance!
But on last nights performance he certainly looked uncomfortable and spoke in an unconvincing manner.
Not leader material on that performance!
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7.30 Report Website Vodcast if you missed it.
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/730repor...age_video4.wmv
How is the Qantaslink Traineeship 'fully funded'?? You need an existing CPL before you can apply. Therefore not FULLY funded. If the jurno's had done a tiny bit of research they would have found this out on the Qantas website.
Seems like Chris is burying his head in the sand. Quote 'we are not seeing Qantas pilots going overseas.'
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/730repor...age_video4.wmv
How is the Qantaslink Traineeship 'fully funded'?? You need an existing CPL before you can apply. Therefore not FULLY funded. If the jurno's had done a tiny bit of research they would have found this out on the Qantas website.
Seems like Chris is burying his head in the sand. Quote 'we are not seeing Qantas pilots going overseas.'
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Don't worry about it guys, once this Global credit crunch and property market price plunge takes full effect in the next few months then the 'pilot shortage' will be well and truely over for another few years.