Jetstar leaves Launceston in the dark?
Back to basics....
Can anyone believe that two professional pilots would recklessly endanger the lives of 70 passengers.
The Captain says they reactivated the lights.
The worse case scenario here is that the lights on the 737 are so bright!, the pilots may not have noticed the runway lights extinguish!
Is that reckless endangenment?
The Judge got it a hundred percent right!
CASA should be ashamed!
Can anyone believe that two professional pilots would recklessly endanger the lives of 70 passengers.
The Captain says they reactivated the lights.
The worse case scenario here is that the lights on the 737 are so bright!, the pilots may not have noticed the runway lights extinguish!
Is that reckless endangenment?
The Judge got it a hundred percent right!
CASA should be ashamed!
Nunc est bibendum
Yes. You imagine the conversation:
Captain: "Hey bloggs, why don't we, just for fun, take off without the runway lights on".
Bloggs: "Geez Skipper, what a bloody great idea. That'll be great experience"
Or the alternative:
Bloggs: "Looks like the lights have gone off boss"
Captain: "Don't worry about re-activating them. We don't need them anyhow".
Bloggs: "Fair enough. I'd hate to think that they'd charge us for using them twice".
Captain: "Hey bloggs, why don't we, just for fun, take off without the runway lights on".
Bloggs: "Geez Skipper, what a bloody great idea. That'll be great experience"
Or the alternative:
Bloggs: "Looks like the lights have gone off boss"
Captain: "Don't worry about re-activating them. We don't need them anyhow".
Bloggs: "Fair enough. I'd hate to think that they'd charge us for using them twice".
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Tasmania may have some quirky laws but the charge was brought under Commonwealth legislation. The Feds uses the state court structure to hear breaches of Commonwealth laws and Commonwealth processes apply.
Further, I don't think it is up to the Tasmanian DPP, Tim Ellis, to decide about the future of any appeal but rather the Commonwealth DPP.
Bit embarrassing to have to admit that you have lost some evidence along the way though. Justice Slicer does not tolerate fools easily and I expect that there were some harsh words for counsel for the Government when that came to light.
Tasmania may have some quirky laws but the charge was brought under Commonwealth legislation. The Feds uses the state court structure to hear breaches of Commonwealth laws and Commonwealth processes apply.
Further, I don't think it is up to the Tasmanian DPP, Tim Ellis, to decide about the future of any appeal but rather the Commonwealth DPP.
Bit embarrassing to have to admit that you have lost some evidence along the way though. Justice Slicer does not tolerate fools easily and I expect that there were some harsh words for counsel for the Government when that came to light.
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This countries judicial system is a joke, (we see/hear it all too often) right or wrong this particular outcome must have us (Aussies) with egg on our faces from those looking from outside in !
'Keg' well said, funny but ridiculously true!
CW
'Keg' well said, funny but ridiculously true!
CW
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In the primitive system at LST there is no call back or "electronic receipt" if you will, to indicate that you have been successful
Thanks for that PLovett.
I remember our FOI telling us about CASA taking an ATO to court in Tasmania in the early 1990's for being a naughty boy, and he was likewise letoff and the reason given was that he had no prior convictions and was over sixty.
Would have cost the rat a few dollars to defend their pilots but at least they stood behind the crew.
I remember our FOI telling us about CASA taking an ATO to court in Tasmania in the early 1990's for being a naughty boy, and he was likewise letoff and the reason given was that he had no prior convictions and was over sixty.
Would have cost the rat a few dollars to defend their pilots but at least they stood behind the crew.
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Well, that was an interesting case, found guilty, no fine or anything, let off because of age. Because of that, CASA can't revoke ATO approvals, so allowed to continue as an ATO! Interested to hear Plovett's comments on such a legal system.
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Age is only a factor in the equation where a charge can be dismissed under the Probation of Offenders Act. Basically a magistrate has the powers to find a complaint proven but because of a number of factors, age, seriousness (or lack of) the charge, previous clean record, risk of reoffence etc. can then dismiss the complaint.
The case that you refer to, IIRCC, was not an instrument rating renewal but an endorsement on an aircraft type. It concerned an ATO who I later met and who assisted me when I needed some help so I am not going to drag his name or past through these pages.
Suffice to say every jurisdiction has similar provisions which is why mandatory sentencing is so bitterly opposed by the legal fraternity because it removes judicial discretion in sentencing.
Age is only a factor in the equation where a charge can be dismissed under the Probation of Offenders Act. Basically a magistrate has the powers to find a complaint proven but because of a number of factors, age, seriousness (or lack of) the charge, previous clean record, risk of reoffence etc. can then dismiss the complaint.
The case that you refer to, IIRCC, was not an instrument rating renewal but an endorsement on an aircraft type. It concerned an ATO who I later met and who assisted me when I needed some help so I am not going to drag his name or past through these pages.
Suffice to say every jurisdiction has similar provisions which is why mandatory sentencing is so bitterly opposed by the legal fraternity because it removes judicial discretion in sentencing.
PLovett our very experienced FOI certainly put a different slant on that particular case and he was very pi%%ed off with the way it was thrown out of court.
His parting comment was something about paper endorsements and fax machines!
His parting comment was something about paper endorsements and fax machines!
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I will try to Answer for you Max
Number of PAL systems I belive two in AUST both operation instrutions in ERSA.
Qantas Maunal not much in any operators Manuals I dont know(Trainning).
Windsocks at YMLT both flash and auidable warning during last 10 mins (Nice Voice too). But of course if you are lined up and the lights have not been activated none of these sytems work, Even the one to get a Tarmac Terrier to hit the override for Perminent actiation till ATC is back on shift.
to me its simple if the "On" switch don't work fix it before you leave.
PS Im not an english teacher and can't find spell cheque .LOL
Number of PAL systems I belive two in AUST both operation instrutions in ERSA.
Qantas Maunal not much in any operators Manuals I dont know(Trainning).
Windsocks at YMLT both flash and auidable warning during last 10 mins (Nice Voice too). But of course if you are lined up and the lights have not been activated none of these sytems work, Even the one to get a Tarmac Terrier to hit the override for Perminent actiation till ATC is back on shift.
to me its simple if the "On" switch don't work fix it before you leave.
PS Im not an english teacher and can't find spell cheque .LOL
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Been sometime
Been awhile since some have been to Launy as PAL audibale notification has been active since the change from PAL to ARFU + PAL.
How many ways can you spell auidabill.
How many ways can you spell auidabill.
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I remember Bruce from wayback in the days of DC9 ops. Probably remember you too S8, that bloody Islander use to block up the Flinders - Lt track and ruin our descent profile. Bruce must be close to retiring by now.