Air Nelson ALPA pilots to strike
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What I don't understand is, when a negotiation is taking place and a management group is dicking around (don't laugh Eagle and the rest of AirNZ you'll all find out soon enough) Why doesn't the employee representative just say, "right, our action will continue as usuall but if the rubbish in the media and the dirty tactics don't stop we will increase our demand from 4.8 up to 5.5% and if this isn't resolved by next month..its 6%"
The pilot group is right in this case and the management group are just trying to show the rest of AirNZ that they won't fold easily (with other negotiations just around the corner)
The pilot group is right in this case and the management group are just trying to show the rest of AirNZ that they won't fold easily (with other negotiations just around the corner)
Just had a quiet beer with a whole bunch of crew on their "Day off/strike" Seems they need to strike to actually have a weekend to spend with the family. Good on you Air Nelson Pilots sticking together through these times. Stand fast and good things will happen.
Reading in the media and I shake my head in disgust. I would be interested to learn how the company got the average duty hours of 31 a week. Can someone shed any light on this? Every Pilot I know Capt and F/o is working far more than that. Gone are the pilots goodwill. Air Nelson have backed themselves into the corner over a matter which could be settled fair and amicably.
Is it true that all Air Nelson pilots go onto individual contracts after a year of not having a collective agreement? Is the company going to offer pilots commands to come back an break the strike?
I am sure you will get what you rightfully deserve in the end. Good work ALPA and Air Nelson ALPA pilots. You have the support from the mainline guys and gals
Reading in the media and I shake my head in disgust. I would be interested to learn how the company got the average duty hours of 31 a week. Can someone shed any light on this? Every Pilot I know Capt and F/o is working far more than that. Gone are the pilots goodwill. Air Nelson have backed themselves into the corner over a matter which could be settled fair and amicably.
Is it true that all Air Nelson pilots go onto individual contracts after a year of not having a collective agreement? Is the company going to offer pilots commands to come back an break the strike?
I am sure you will get what you rightfully deserve in the end. Good work ALPA and Air Nelson ALPA pilots. You have the support from the mainline guys and gals
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Contingency plans
A groundie said today that he'd heard a report that some heavy metal was going to be used main trunk this weekend, in order to free up the Little Boings for certain regional 'milk-runs'.
If true, it actually makes sense - 1 x 737 = 2 x Q300.
Hmmm makes sense - which is why it won't be happening!
If true, it actually makes sense - 1 x 737 = 2 x Q300.
Hmmm makes sense - which is why it won't be happening!
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You all get $100,000 per year
I couldn't believe Mr Parton on TV1 news tonight saying that not only do the Air Nelson pilots work the hours mentioned above, but that they all get 100k per year. From the sound of it, a good partner for JH. Neither Air NZ nor TV1 seem to care about the accuracy of the information they spread about. Sadly, the viewers who know nothing about pilots salaries will probably believe it.
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Your's is the first post that has stepped away from the issue to personal attacks on others. Are you black, white, asian, bi, lesibian, gay, have you married a black, white, asian, bi, lesbian, gay....are you a vego, vegan, do you want to fly light twins, work for a 3rd level airline, regional airline, national airline, do you want to be a C cat B cat A cat, drive a ****ter or a wannabe car, do you want to go overseas, work, rest, get the benefit, wear trousers or shorts on a cold day, live in nelson, or tauranga, or rotorua, or auckland or or or............these are CHOICES and that is what each and everyone of us should be entitled to make without criticism or fear of vindication. So what..some pilots are ALPA some arn't, wooptee
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k. As for piggy backing...thats not their fault, I think you will find that govt legislation dictates that that will happen (employment relations act). After reading your post I can only assume you hold a huge hatred ..I feel sorry for you. There are more important things in life to get stewed up about.
Good luck to the guys and gals out for the weekend, I hope you get what you want, these are difficult times..EACH TO THEIR OWN..
Your's is the first post that has stepped away from the issue to personal attacks on others. Are you black, white, asian, bi, lesibian, gay, have you married a black, white, asian, bi, lesbian, gay....are you a vego, vegan, do you want to fly light twins, work for a 3rd level airline, regional airline, national airline, do you want to be a C cat B cat A cat, drive a ****ter or a wannabe car, do you want to go overseas, work, rest, get the benefit, wear trousers or shorts on a cold day, live in nelson, or tauranga, or rotorua, or auckland or or or............these are CHOICES and that is what each and everyone of us should be entitled to make without criticism or fear of vindication. So what..some pilots are ALPA some arn't, wooptee
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k. As for piggy backing...thats not their fault, I think you will find that govt legislation dictates that that will happen (employment relations act). After reading your post I can only assume you hold a huge hatred ..I feel sorry for you. There are more important things in life to get stewed up about.Good luck to the guys and gals out for the weekend, I hope you get what you want, these are difficult times..EACH TO THEIR OWN..
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So how does a 3 odd percent payrise each year equate to 32% over 3 years, did JH work that out ?????
Stand strong boys and girls, did someone get it on record what JH said to the engineers ?? Surely that would go to show just what a pri@k he is. How does the requested increase equate to 8 mil per year.
Why dont they just change their claim to cpi +2% as some other group have been rumored to have asked for, that will make him sit up. I know that it's childish but why not play his game for a while, hell, there cant be mich else to loose.
It is disgusting that a manager can not negotiate a new contract in less than a year, I hope the guys do get what they want in the end thru the next phase of negs.
Stand strong boys and girls, did someone get it on record what JH said to the engineers ?? Surely that would go to show just what a pri@k he is. How does the requested increase equate to 8 mil per year.
Why dont they just change their claim to cpi +2% as some other group have been rumored to have asked for, that will make him sit up. I know that it's childish but why not play his game for a while, hell, there cant be mich else to loose.
It is disgusting that a manager can not negotiate a new contract in less than a year, I hope the guys do get what they want in the end thru the next phase of negs.
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Yes Conflict Alert
I agree with your comments in regards to personal attacks. But I hear that there is a couple of Feds who have been slagging off long serving ALPA members.
It is a bit hard to take knowing that these people by law will be entitled to the same deal that ALPA members are fighting so bitterly for.
I agree with your comments in regards to personal attacks. But I hear that there is a couple of Feds who have been slagging off long serving ALPA members.
It is a bit hard to take knowing that these people by law will be entitled to the same deal that ALPA members are fighting so bitterly for.
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So does a Fed pilot (say a Co or a recent Captain) watch the news last night and think "Oh yes, thats true..I am earning $100000pa and I do mostly only do 31 hours per week, so I should be happy with my conditions"
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It has been very sad to see your mainline 737's assisting management and filling in capacity shortfall from the strike.
Why didn't they stand by your issues?
Why didn't they stand by your issues?
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I think that the problem with the fed pilots is that they dont have to strike, get paid more to work when the ALPA pilots are striking for a cause that they believe in. 
The alpa crews paid the sub's to alpa for the support and do the hard work for the t1.5 claim, the feds just walk in and say thanks for the extra money guys...and at the end of all this the feds will get the same bloody money as the crew who sacrificed the most, surely there is a word for that...
Stand strong guys, the conditions that you are asking for wont hurt the company as much as the company say, my hat is off to you all
The alpa crews paid the sub's to alpa for the support and do the hard work for the t1.5 claim, the feds just walk in and say thanks for the extra money guys...and at the end of all this the feds will get the same bloody money as the crew who sacrificed the most, surely there is a word for that...
Stand strong guys, the conditions that you are asking for wont hurt the company as much as the company say, my hat is off to you all
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Chocks Away- reading some of the other posts here suggest that for the most part they do, mate.
I'm sure that if non-notified industrial action by one group in support of another was legal, ALPA would already be onto it.
I'm sure that if non-notified industrial action by one group in support of another was legal, ALPA would already be onto it.
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From what I understand there is only two legal reasons to strike. They are for bargaining and safety grounds. If the 737 pilots decided not to fly the extra routes this weekend they would be initiating an illegal strike. It was the same when Air Nsn pilots filled in when Mt Cook was working to rule.
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When is ALPA going to respond to the bullSt on the TV and radio news? I saw the ALPA rep on TV3 on Wed but not even a whisper from them all weekend. All the while I have been trying to find my 100k? Still no luck....
t on the TV and radio news? I saw the ALPA rep on TV3 on Wed but not even a whisper from them all weekend. All the while I have been trying to find my 100k? Still no luck....
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The alpa crews paid the sub's to alpa for the support and do the hard work for the t1.5 claim, the feds just walk in and say thanks for the extra money guys.
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I have a question;
Have the Feds ever conducted any form of industrial action in their history..ie are they really a union, or just a group of pilots who don't want to be in a union?
Did they participate in the initial negotiation before it broke down?
Have the Feds ever conducted any form of industrial action in their history..ie are they really a union, or just a group of pilots who don't want to be in a union?
Did they participate in the initial negotiation before it broke down?