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Old 5th Feb 2011, 01:14
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Did anyone miss this bit of news?
Sierra, I'm sure some people missed it, but it was discussed at length:

http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...comes-off.html
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Old 9th Feb 2011, 12:18
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The Western and therefore the Australian philosophy for defence personnel and equipment is to ensure the highest training standards and the best military systems in an effort to overcome and try to outweigh the sheer weight of numbers that many potential aggressors might be able to mount against us.

Therefore, of necessity, we must strive to purchase the moist effective and up-to-date weapon systems that are available in the world.

To send our diminutive force into the likely current day and future battlefields with anything less, is to condemn our young military men and women to death.

New high-tech weapon systems are by nature very risky not only in terms of test and development technical risk, but also in terms of manufacturing and cost risks.

This will never change...
I strongly disagree with this view.

If a small nation like Australia, bought in service and proven military equipment, we would not regularly face the absurd situation of having capability gaps.

We can't afford the luxury you describe. It hasn't worked and procurement process has too often failed.

Just a quick glance again at Singapore- tankers, SAMS, proven attack helicopters, AWACS, evolved and proven tactical fighters in good numbers, F15E in service whilst Australia gambled on an old platform and JSF etc ...

That's where I struggle with your comment here-

To send our diminutive force into the likely current day and future battlefields with anything less, is to condemn our young military men and women to death.
Singapore, through sensible and cost effective procurements, does not accept a capability gap. And I suggest, that because we do, it could be catastrophic for our young men in a future conflict. For example, how exposed are we without tankers, or AWACS, or a stand off missile, in a contained skirmish in Asia? What about Afganistan and relying on Dutch Apaches because our piece of crap isn't operational?

Buy stuff that is operational and proven. Give our young men and women a chance and don't gamble on not being exposed by a capability gap in pursuit of unproven technology.
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Old 9th Feb 2011, 23:13
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I was just wondering ... what was the last piece of flying equipment that Defense has brought in that works ?

Not counting the C-17 and F-18 ... that were off the shelf.
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Old 9th Feb 2011, 23:35
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Cannot be to much longer before this project moves from the Projects of Concern list to the long long long dumped list.
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 02:02
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I was just wondering ... what was the last piece of flying equipment that Defense has brought in that works ?
King Air, 737, Bombardier....

Hardly cutting edge miltary equipment but I'm glad they didn't cock it up.
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 02:27
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I was just wondering ... what was the last piece of flying equipment that Defense has brought in that works ?
Defense bought? Or the Government of the day decided to buy, despite Defense's recommendation...
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 02:41
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Yes, didn't everyone love Labor's spin a couple of elections ago. The F22 was on the cards. As suspected, all BS-


Labor's review of Howard's fighters decision a sham
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 07:00
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Another perfect example of playing politics for the sake of it rather than actually focussing on doing the right thing. Every thinking person at the time knew it, here is the proof.
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 08:00
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So its march and still no Delivery.
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 08:24
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Hmmmm, I remember Fitzgibbon......

On 26 March 2009, Fairfax Media newspapers reported that officers in the Department of Defence had conducted a covert and unauthorised investigation into Fitzgibbon's friendship with a Chinese-Australian businesswoman in the belief that it constituted a security risk. This was alleged to have included officers from the Defence Signals Directorate accessing the computer network in Fitzgibbon's office to obtain the woman's bank details.[6][7] The Department has launched an urgent inquiry into the reports. Nick Warner, the Department's Secretary, stated that he had not seen any information to confirm the claims and that there were no circumstances in which secret investigations into Ministers could be authorised.[8] Fitzgibbon was reported to be "furious" about the investigation, and has suggested that it may have been conducted by officials opposed to his reforms to the Australian Defence Organisation.[9][7]
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 10:01
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Fliegenmong, you may also then remember that the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security and the Defence Security Authority found that whoever made the allegations was telling porkies.
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 10:19
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Anyway still no Delivery.
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Old 28th May 2011, 04:17
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First A330 MRTT/KC-30A on way (literally) to Australia (at last).
Odd delivery route.

PICTURES: Australia to receive first Airbus Military A330 MRTT

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Old 28th May 2011, 06:05
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delivery route is normal if you consider aircraft security at stopovers...
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Old 28th May 2011, 07:25
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Las Vegas Airport? And besides, isn't the aeroplane devoid of its EW equipment.
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Old 29th May 2011, 06:36
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There's you answer -> "Devoid of EW gear". It needs a fit out in the US before coming home.
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Old 29th May 2011, 07:35
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The first two or three MRTTs (at least) will not arrive in Australia with LAIRCM. There is still an unresolved dispute between the US State Dept and Airbus over where it will be installed and by whom.
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Old 29th May 2011, 08:26
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So flogged horse is a bulshi$$er...

Why Vegas then and not Nellis? If, as TBM alludes to, the delivery route being normal for security purposes.

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Old 14th Jul 2011, 17:53
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Australian Airbus Tankers

I have seen on other forums that the MRTTs delivered to the RAAF have an inoperable boom and have not have LARCIM installed. They further state that the boom will not be operable until late 2012.
Has anyone seen a media report on this.
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Old 14th Jul 2011, 23:23
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No boom for at least 12 months.

LAIRCM was to have been installed in Spain during conversion, but the US withdrew approval to do so. Will be done in Brisbane or the US early next year.

Publicly released - good article in current Australian Aviation (with Super Hornet on cover)
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