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Merged: Oxygen tanks topped up with Nitrogen

Old 22nd Dec 2007, 09:46
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Nitrogen asphyxiation was once used as a means of capitol punishment... I think I see what Qantas is trying to pull here...
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 22:28
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...very clever "guidohatzis"

Yr right QF hardly need to do that to their staff, T&C's are more 'lethal' & the result is ongoing !

Can't believe the stuff up there but it's bound to happen in an ever changing climate where cost cutting etc. is injected into some of the upper management to produce a GM (not General Manager, Genetically modified) been counter !! !

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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 22:31
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.....whoooops "bean" counter, must be O2 deprivation & I haven't even been near a QF flight !

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Old 31st Dec 2007, 06:07
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frigging around to get it right

The carts were designed by LAME's, for LAME's and IAW the relevant standards, i.e. colour coding etc.
Extensive consultation was carried out across the network with involvement of both trades.
No they weren't the cheapest or easiest option. They took a hell of a lot of frigging around to get right




My question why did QE design a cart that could be purchased off the shelf and in use with ever other operator,does any one know why?.
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Old 31st Dec 2007, 23:44
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Because, Excalibur, there is the QANTAS way ( applicable to anything at all aviation related ) and then there is the way the rest of the world does it
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Old 31st Dec 2007, 23:50
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Wink The QF Way

You don't build up you own empire buying off the shelf.
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Old 1st Jan 2008, 00:54
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best suggestion yet is to paint oxy carts green and make this standard colour for oxy servicing GSE.

Also why were the nitro carts not designed to be refillable from a booster & bulk storage bottle bank. This worked brilliantly in my days at Ansett, it saved time and eliminated manual handling of heavy cylinders. Particularly useful at main base where there is a high use of nitro.
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Old 1st Jan 2008, 04:24
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The Shaman

Some Ports are using the old Ansett gear to do just as you suggested.
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Old 1st Jan 2008, 04:31
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Who's Responsible

What aviation GSE company built the rigs, does any one know? Surely they have some responsibility.
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Old 1st Jan 2008, 08:15
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maybe magoo 31 can shed some light on this one...???
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Old 1st Jan 2008, 08:19
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BTW thanks DZ for info... glad to see common sense and practical use of GSE prevails at some ports..
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Old 27th Jul 2008, 01:35
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Why is everyone looking at the cylinder colour?!?!?!

It seems it is actually the colour of the neck (near the valve) of the cylinder that signifies the contents and is therefore what one should be looking at.
The cylinder colours themselves may vary.
For nitrogen the neck is black. For oxygen it is white.
So even "at night, when raining, in blinding sun, under time constraints with a good level of fatigue etc, etc, etc" it should still be fairly obvious if it is black or white on top. You can't get any more contrasting colours than that.
In addition of course every cylinder must also be clearly labelled with the name of the gas it contains.

http://www.bcga.co.uk/preview/public...tis06-2005.pdf
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Old 28th Jul 2008, 09:34
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Hi wasa...
They're actually looking at the colour of the carts that carry the bottles. The necks of the bottles are covered by the enclosed part of the trolley so the neck colour can't normaly be seen.
Part of the problem now is that they've got the wrong people leading the charge to address the issue. How many months have they had to address that and the other issues? Way too many!
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Old 28th Jul 2008, 10:46
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Originally Posted by Tail Wheel
Is the gas label on the bottles visible when the bottles are on the cart? If so, would someone not notice "Oxygen" is not spelt N-i-t-r-o-g-e-n?
It's a valid point. Do we really need to employ LAME's simply on the basis that presumably they are the only ground handling employee's that can read / understand the requirement to put oxygen where oxygen is required?
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Old 2nd Aug 2008, 07:48
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How About A Headline for the Media?

I wish the oxy bottle/decompression had occured closer to 1 April. How's this for a headline:

Oxy bottle topped off with nitrogen! Explosive gas mixture error key to 747 mid-air near disaster!

I wonder how long it would take 'em to work it out.
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Old 2nd Aug 2008, 09:28
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Given OXY bottle is black and Nitrogen Grey the labels only confirm contents
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Old 2nd Aug 2008, 13:22
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Does the same labling (visibility) efficacy apply for contract disclosure on 'cheap as chips' mobile phone contracts
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Old 2nd Aug 2008, 22:34
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Absolutely
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Old 4th Aug 2008, 10:02
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[QUOTE][/ampclamp oxy carts

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How long are the "new' oxy carts going to be left gathering dust in a hangar in SYD? QUOTE]

OMFG .... do not tell me these carts are still sitting idle in 131 doing FA... what a fantastic rate of return on shareholders investements... ?????
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Old 4th Aug 2008, 10:42
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Although tech services have ckd crew bottles for oxygen purity, they have not ckd the passenger bottles. Even on the aircraft in question. Their excuse? The pass oxy sys was approx 1800psi when charging so no nitrogen would have entered any bottles. Too bloody difficult would be a more likely story.
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