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Investment
I see it like this, for a 5% pay rise for LAMES what a smart investment for management. At present morale down, attitude down, interest down, enthusiasm down the list goes on. Why is the dispatch reliability down, "A" chks always going late ? If they dont give us any more than 3% this will only get a whole lot worse, then everyone will work by the book and NOTHING will go out on time. Management think about this if we dont get any fair pay rise for our efforts the situation will escalate, we are working our asses off through the day & night due to lack of staff bad planning and docs loading up the work packages. All we do these days is defer the cards to get the a/c out on time (sounds well planned and managed).
Give us a fair deal and this could all turn around. Staff would be greatful and happy, morale , work ethics , attitude, commitment could be restored and you would then have a work force that would put out and a/c dispatch reliability would go up, "A" cks would go out on time and we could become a very efficient product (just like in the past). This is why I call it an investment because things will change.
Keep it the same at (3%). Fine but I can asure you BM, SDO, SIO will never recover.
Give us a fair deal and this could all turn around. Staff would be greatful and happy, morale , work ethics , attitude, commitment could be restored and you would then have a work force that would put out and a/c dispatch reliability would go up, "A" cks would go out on time and we could become a very efficient product (just like in the past). This is why I call it an investment because things will change.
Keep it the same at (3%). Fine but I can asure you BM, SDO, SIO will never recover.
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I believe the count will not be known until Monday officially, although there is a chance that the numbers may be known by some on the weekend...
Stay tuned, I am sure it will be posted.
Stay tuned, I am sure it will be posted.
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As I 've said on another thread.
Dicko's announcement of the MOU with MAS is a kick in the teeth for all LAMEs. They want flexibilities in the EBA to keep HM work onshore - "this is time critical", next .. joint venture in Malaysia ... WTF.
We will keep going about our working day, doing a fine job as always and in the face of threats and lies, Dicko will get what he wants because WE ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMIES.
Dicko's announcement of the MOU with MAS is a kick in the teeth for all LAMEs. They want flexibilities in the EBA to keep HM work onshore - "this is time critical", next .. joint venture in Malaysia ... WTF.
We will keep going about our working day, doing a fine job as always and in the face of threats and lies, Dicko will get what he wants because WE ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMIES.
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The way I hear it, is that MAS have not enough "skilled workforce" to handle the aircraft they have at the moment. They have 3rd party work sitting on the ground and desperatley need more workers to cover the work they have now.
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If they scoure the jungles I'm sure Qantas could trap a few more primates and approve them to certify for qantas aircraft. And I bet we hear DC declaring that this is a top class maintenance provider.
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INTERIM RESULTS
ballot papers returned 88%
in favour of action 1066
against 157
Someone must have been at the count...
TAKEN from ALAEA WEBSITE FORUM!!
ballot papers returned 88%
in favour of action 1066
against 157
Someone must have been at the count...
TAKEN from ALAEA WEBSITE FORUM!!
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Time To Stand Up And Be Counted
As one of the 157 who voted NO to the vote. I have now seen clearly the feeling of my fellow members. Make no mistake anyone who has never been in this position before things are going to get nasty. Despite the way in which I excercsed my vote (to which I am entitled as pointed out previously on this site) I now stand fully behind the membership in the upcoming action.
I do believe that the company wants this fight and we will probably lose more than we win but with the MAS announcement I believe the writing is on the wall anyway.
To the memebers of the exectuitive who I know read these posts I say make every bullet count. If we are to have stop work meetings and loose 4 hours pay make sure the meetings are held at the most effective times such as start of dayshift for line maint and end of business day.
For the chaps at Avalon Heavy I suggest when the flight crew arrive to pick up an aircraft especially SA check A/C a four hour delay will cause considerable disruption.
I am sure others can come up with some more novel ideas.
O/T bans will not have the same immediate effect as the above action and I suspect that the first place where the membeship will break ranks will be some of the secondees (hope I am wrong).
My advice would not be for an escalating campaign but rather all out warfare.
If any of you know a "warfie" or a coal miner from the UK go have a chat with them or indeed a pilot who was involved in the domestic pilots dispute.
QF management "War is coming reap the whirlwind"
ALAEA members STAND TOGETHER or LOSE EVERYTHING
I do believe that the company wants this fight and we will probably lose more than we win but with the MAS announcement I believe the writing is on the wall anyway.
To the memebers of the exectuitive who I know read these posts I say make every bullet count. If we are to have stop work meetings and loose 4 hours pay make sure the meetings are held at the most effective times such as start of dayshift for line maint and end of business day.
For the chaps at Avalon Heavy I suggest when the flight crew arrive to pick up an aircraft especially SA check A/C a four hour delay will cause considerable disruption.
I am sure others can come up with some more novel ideas.
O/T bans will not have the same immediate effect as the above action and I suspect that the first place where the membeship will break ranks will be some of the secondees (hope I am wrong).
My advice would not be for an escalating campaign but rather all out warfare.
If any of you know a "warfie" or a coal miner from the UK go have a chat with them or indeed a pilot who was involved in the domestic pilots dispute.
QF management "War is coming reap the whirlwind" ALAEA members STAND TOGETHER or LOSE EVERYTHING
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Section 41, well said and I not only respect your right to vote any way you choose but I have even greater respect for your willingness to stand with the majority, even though they represent a view you didn't agree with.
It is people like yourself who help make the Union movement a fair and representative body.
The most important thing now is to stand united and don't let ANYTHING make you walk out the gate or stop work.
Stop work meetings are far from the most effective method of disruption.
Doing our job to the best of our ability is the most effective tool in any dispute.
Confused?
Simple, to use a quote, from a man now a BM supervisor, during a dispute many years ago;
"get in that cargo hold and don't come out until you have at least 6 pages of DR&R's filled in"
and that was when it was 4 to a page !!
Oh, and 100% supervision of unlicensed workers ( ie, AME's from other sections or VISA 457 scabs) is another good tool!
As for if you are asked to be a L/H ( ie, higher duties) "sorry, I am feeling slightly fatigued and do not feel comfortable or capable to execute the job safely and efficiently"
ie, never say the word NO. Then they'll have a harder time in the commision when they dock the 4 hours.
As for overtime.....just don't answer the phone, or if they corner you at work...."I'd really love to help but I'm minding the kids" or even "love to but I'm feeling far too tired and it would be very unsafe"
Again, don't say "NO"
Finally, be prepared to lose money, feel stressed and be prepared to be bullied. If you are bullied, write it down, contact the union, it's illegal.
It is not going to be easy but we need to do this if we are to have ANY future in this industry.
Fight the good fight fellow LAME's.
PS. to SP, WV, MW etc, make every punch count, we're depending on you. You've done us proud so far.
( have the AME union been approached to advise their members against doing extra overtime to help DC et al ?)
PPS. Why the heck do the spaces between the paragraphs kep dissapearing ???
It is people like yourself who help make the Union movement a fair and representative body.
The most important thing now is to stand united and don't let ANYTHING make you walk out the gate or stop work.
Stop work meetings are far from the most effective method of disruption.
Doing our job to the best of our ability is the most effective tool in any dispute.
Confused?
Simple, to use a quote, from a man now a BM supervisor, during a dispute many years ago;
"get in that cargo hold and don't come out until you have at least 6 pages of DR&R's filled in"
and that was when it was 4 to a page !!
Oh, and 100% supervision of unlicensed workers ( ie, AME's from other sections or VISA 457 scabs) is another good tool!
As for if you are asked to be a L/H ( ie, higher duties) "sorry, I am feeling slightly fatigued and do not feel comfortable or capable to execute the job safely and efficiently"
ie, never say the word NO. Then they'll have a harder time in the commision when they dock the 4 hours.
As for overtime.....just don't answer the phone, or if they corner you at work...."I'd really love to help but I'm minding the kids" or even "love to but I'm feeling far too tired and it would be very unsafe"
Again, don't say "NO"
Finally, be prepared to lose money, feel stressed and be prepared to be bullied. If you are bullied, write it down, contact the union, it's illegal.
It is not going to be easy but we need to do this if we are to have ANY future in this industry.
Fight the good fight fellow LAME's.
PS. to SP, WV, MW etc, make every punch count, we're depending on you. You've done us proud so far.
( have the AME union been approached to advise their members against doing extra overtime to help DC et al ?)
PPS. Why the heck do the spaces between the paragraphs kep dissapearing ???
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Thanks for your words of support sickofQF,
However I disagree on the stop work weapon being less effective, while it may not be popular with the travelling public serious flight disruption via country wide stop work meetings will bring things to a head very quickly. The other methods you have suggested will indeed have an impact but it will take time. We need to show the company NOW that we are prepared to lose 4 hrs pay, that we are prepared to bring the network to a standstill, that we will stand together. The other methods suggested will risk petering out as time goes by and in a war of attrition the company will win. So I say tighten your belts and as you say be prepared to lose money.
As for 100% supervision of AME's this is just going to make the LAME's life harder, it will cause frustration among the AME's who's support we need people will get sick of working that way very quickly and things will return to status Quo very quickly.
O/T bans will be difficult in Heavy to implement subversively as you suggest "too tired, looking after kids" etc. within a heavy environment as most O/T is pre-arranged before rather than the phone call the folks on Line tend to get on their days off.
My last point will be to refer to your assertion that 457 visa workers are scabs. At Avalon where I work there are a number of workers under these conditions being treated very poorly by their employer forshaft, to a man all of these people are honest and hard working, if there are plans to bring in "strike breakers" under these visas then by all means label them as what they are SCABS but not the ones already here trying to make a better life for themselves that we hope to support us.
However I disagree on the stop work weapon being less effective, while it may not be popular with the travelling public serious flight disruption via country wide stop work meetings will bring things to a head very quickly. The other methods you have suggested will indeed have an impact but it will take time. We need to show the company NOW that we are prepared to lose 4 hrs pay, that we are prepared to bring the network to a standstill, that we will stand together. The other methods suggested will risk petering out as time goes by and in a war of attrition the company will win. So I say tighten your belts and as you say be prepared to lose money.
As for 100% supervision of AME's this is just going to make the LAME's life harder, it will cause frustration among the AME's who's support we need people will get sick of working that way very quickly and things will return to status Quo very quickly.
O/T bans will be difficult in Heavy to implement subversively as you suggest "too tired, looking after kids" etc. within a heavy environment as most O/T is pre-arranged before rather than the phone call the folks on Line tend to get on their days off.
My last point will be to refer to your assertion that 457 visa workers are scabs. At Avalon where I work there are a number of workers under these conditions being treated very poorly by their employer forshaft, to a man all of these people are honest and hard working, if there are plans to bring in "strike breakers" under these visas then by all means label them as what they are SCABS but not the ones already here trying to make a better life for themselves that we hope to support us.
( have the AME union been approached to advise their members against doing extra overtime to help DC et al ?)
I know you're all a bit excited because its the first time the ALAEA has had a regime in place that has a pair but don't go around pressuring other worker classifications when its a LAME dispute.
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DC's email of the day suggests it's the association pushing a 5% outcome.
Wake up Dave it's the membership calling for a decent outcome.
Nearly 90% of returned votes calling for industrial action suggests you're dealing with an unhappy workforce, constantly being told to do more with less resourses and effectively for less money.
Well done to all who took the time to fill in a ballot, but now the real work has to begin. Stay firm until we get the outcome we deserve.
Wake up Dave it's the membership calling for a decent outcome.
Nearly 90% of returned votes calling for industrial action suggests you're dealing with an unhappy workforce, constantly being told to do more with less resourses and effectively for less money.
Well done to all who took the time to fill in a ballot, but now the real work has to begin. Stay firm until we get the outcome we deserve.