HyperMerged: Q Engineering LAME EBA VIII/Industrial Strategies
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Although not a member of the Association it is good to see that there is finally some leadership that is thinking of its members and not itself. How well I remember the days of long past in the Sydney TAA Line Office with BD holding court of his fawning acolytes whilst his shift foreman, 'Fozzie Bear', looked on.
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Have heard the gist of big Kevs meeting with the troops in SYD ACS
Lots of fire brimstone, and look out if we vote yes to industrial action. This best is described as desperate stuff from the 3rd floor
I have never heard this type of talk from this manager. Many of us have worked with and around him (pardon the pun) for years and know how he communicates.
Panic is a word that immediately springs to mind !
Without drawing to much of a long bow, I would think it is safe to assume the 3rd floor have been threatened with loss of bonus or jobs if this industrial action is not quashed. I would think any manager in ACS would have a very real worry of being made example of by MH or DC and I am sure the MH and DC have also been spoken to as well by PG, JB JD etc with same sword above their heads.
The only manager in ACS who will see any consolation in the LAMEs taking action is the buffoon who runs PERTH. At least he won't be the only manager in the network to have failed to do what he claimed, and his favourite tool was bullying and threats. And we know how that turned out.
A win for the good guys.
I will stick to what I think is right, I am not happy with 3% lets see more, the other 2 nasty clauses in EBA document about conflict resolution (XPT) and reclassification of LAMEs to AMEs.
I will not vote YES to the EBA until these are resolved.
Until then I am an army of 1.
Protected industrial action or not, there is much under MH rule book that slows the process down.
Many of you cleaver guys are very creative. I am sure with the maintenance manual and the policy manual on your side there is much we can do.
Intereting times ahead
To Quote — Gordon Bethune, CEO Continental Airlines, quoted in 'Throwing the Elephant: Zen and the Art of Managing Up,' 2002
Do you know how much faster I can fix an airplane when I want to fix it than when I don't want to fix it?
Lots of fire brimstone, and look out if we vote yes to industrial action. This best is described as desperate stuff from the 3rd floor
I have never heard this type of talk from this manager. Many of us have worked with and around him (pardon the pun) for years and know how he communicates.
Panic is a word that immediately springs to mind !
Without drawing to much of a long bow, I would think it is safe to assume the 3rd floor have been threatened with loss of bonus or jobs if this industrial action is not quashed. I would think any manager in ACS would have a very real worry of being made example of by MH or DC and I am sure the MH and DC have also been spoken to as well by PG, JB JD etc with same sword above their heads.
The only manager in ACS who will see any consolation in the LAMEs taking action is the buffoon who runs PERTH. At least he won't be the only manager in the network to have failed to do what he claimed, and his favourite tool was bullying and threats. And we know how that turned out.
A win for the good guys.
I will stick to what I think is right, I am not happy with 3% lets see more, the other 2 nasty clauses in EBA document about conflict resolution (XPT) and reclassification of LAMEs to AMEs.
I will not vote YES to the EBA until these are resolved.
Until then I am an army of 1.
Protected industrial action or not, there is much under MH rule book that slows the process down.
Many of you cleaver guys are very creative. I am sure with the maintenance manual and the policy manual on your side there is much we can do.
Intereting times ahead
To Quote — Gordon Bethune, CEO Continental Airlines, quoted in 'Throwing the Elephant: Zen and the Art of Managing Up,' 2002
Do you know how much faster I can fix an airplane when I want to fix it than when I don't want to fix it?
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Well done BNE heavy, silence is the best treatment.We haven't even got a chance up here in QLD.Only got a sh
ty letter.But the boys are keen 90% yes except for a few suckholes and a couple that have taken packages(but will still put there hand out for the 5%) when we get it.Just remember. UNITED WE BARGAIN.DIVIDED WE BEG! Stick together.What is the consensus at the other ports??????
ty letter.But the boys are keen 90% yes except for a few suckholes and a couple that have taken packages(but will still put there hand out for the 5%) when we get it.Just remember. UNITED WE BARGAIN.DIVIDED WE BEG! Stick together.What is the consensus at the other ports??????
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Wage freeze
Any one remember a few years back when there were wage freezes due to the company going through hard times and the connotation being that come the good times, then it would not be forgotten that we'd been a great bunch of fellas and gals, and we'd all share in the good times? Well with a forecast pre-tax profit of approx 1.5 billion (that's 1 followed by 9 zeros if you use American billion or 12 zeros if you use pommy) then I'd say good times have well and truly arrived, and I'd like to see a return on my 'good fella' voucher. If qf want the press to report a 3% wage rise then a significant sign off 'bonus' (a la trolley dollies) could be a good way for both camps to walk away with dignity intact.
If you don't want to act in higher position use the excuse that you don't want to take on the legal responsibility re ohas. MH will back you on this as he was a defendant in a liability trial - not in this life's top ten experiences.
Don't want to work o/t - drunk/primary carer/fatigue/out of state or town/don't answer phone/call screen/message bank/anniversary/birthday(esp wife's, kid's)/waiting for delivery or tradesman/met new girl/fella last nite and up to n*ts in g*ts or make something up!
Have fun and enjoy the festive season!
If you don't want to act in higher position use the excuse that you don't want to take on the legal responsibility re ohas. MH will back you on this as he was a defendant in a liability trial - not in this life's top ten experiences.
Don't want to work o/t - drunk/primary carer/fatigue/out of state or town/don't answer phone/call screen/message bank/anniversary/birthday(esp wife's, kid's)/waiting for delivery or tradesman/met new girl/fella last nite and up to n*ts in g*ts or make something up!
Have fun and enjoy the festive season!
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Good to see slicker is loosing it. Keep rattling his cage.I used to work with him in base maint he didnt get the nick name "ahh slicker" for nothing.But sounds like that wont help him with his bosses now.They want him to get the troops to conform.It wont happen. Dont cave in base boys you have the upper hand now.
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Reply to soldier of fortune 3% issue
I wouldn't call myself a regular sh stirer. Just a part time apprentice.But i think we have a good chance to finally hold our head's above water and get the 5% x 3yrs we deserve.
The current worldwide LAME shortage.Large recruitment drive by ETIHAD and EMIRATES (cathay is looking at protecting themselves from this by doing pay comparisons). Cathay engineers are looking down the barrel of a 20% pay increase to retain them.
Large amount of contract positions unable to be filled in Australia and overseas.
JH unable to get the required skilled staff after extensive advertisments.
Q management will realise our value when our industrial action takes effect (and yes it will get voted in).
Q management should remember the hard times 2000/2001.When we took a pay freeze in good faith.
But that good faith was never rewarded.
Now the company is making record profits the reward isn't 27% DIX, or 47k a F/N cox.
All we want is a meagre 5%.
FOR F SAKE THROW US A COUPLE OF BONES!!!!!!!! 
stirer. Just a part time apprentice.But i think we have a good chance to finally hold our head's above water and get the 5% x 3yrs we deserve.The current worldwide LAME shortage.Large recruitment drive by ETIHAD and EMIRATES (cathay is looking at protecting themselves from this by doing pay comparisons). Cathay engineers are looking down the barrel of a 20% pay increase to retain them.
Large amount of contract positions unable to be filled in Australia and overseas.
JH unable to get the required skilled staff after extensive advertisments.
Q management will realise our value when our industrial action takes effect (and yes it will get voted in).
Q management should remember the hard times 2000/2001.When we took a pay freeze in good faith.
But that good faith was never rewarded.
Now the company is making record profits the reward isn't 27% DIX, or 47k a F/N cox.
All we want is a meagre 5%.
FOR F
SAKE THROW US A COUPLE OF BONES!!!!!!!!
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No prob HARDNUT (why all capitals - are you shouting at all of us?)
If you need any more excuses I have loads. I work with a guy who edited the reference book.
Remember slicker before he was slicker. He was in charge of the 747-400 crew many moons ago in syd. Sounds like he's got out of qf what he wished for - something any wise person should steer clear of. Reason being that there is no next move except out the door (usually at a time of their choosing). A very smart person once told me that if you get into bed with the enemy, make sure you finish first and get the f**k out of bed before they realise they've been screwed.
Hope KL is treating you well.
If you need any more excuses I have loads. I work with a guy who edited the reference book.
Remember slicker before he was slicker. He was in charge of the 747-400 crew many moons ago in syd. Sounds like he's got out of qf what he wished for - something any wise person should steer clear of. Reason being that there is no next move except out the door (usually at a time of their choosing). A very smart person once told me that if you get into bed with the enemy, make sure you finish first and get the f**k out of bed before they realise they've been screwed.
Hope KL is treating you well.
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Question how did the DC talks go in SYD on the weekend????
And it was Great to see the Boys stick it to DC in Brissy on Friday SILENCE WAS GOLDEN
I hope all the other ports do the same, this has been along time coming, Well Done Brissy Heavy
And it was Great to see the Boys stick it to DC in Brissy on Friday
SILENCE WAS GOLDENI hope all the other ports do the same, this has been along time coming, Well Done Brissy Heavy
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Members may find this information leaflet from the government may clarify the position on protected industrial action. Go to this web page, Item 4 second paragraph, should clear up some miss information spread by the company,
http://members.iinet.net.au/~phaedrus/batde/Employeestrikes.pdf
http://members.iinet.net.au/~phaedrus/batde/Employeestrikes.pdf
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Union Busters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qajB...eature=related
Generally, everyone should look at these series of lectures on Union Busting. This shows what Q management want to do.
Trouble is the process may work in land of Stars and Stripes but we have employment contracts (by Union) and the Yanks don't. They are the working poor with people like Trump (and Dark Avenger in LAX) firing left right and centre. That's where the fear comes from - loosing your job and the ramifications to families. But now the fear is in management's guts. With little Johnnie gone there should be no further "Americanisation" of the Aussie work force and their tactics wouldn't work with us anyway. We just want a fair go.
Generally, everyone should look at these series of lectures on Union Busting. This shows what Q management want to do.
Trouble is the process may work in land of Stars and Stripes but we have employment contracts (by Union) and the Yanks don't. They are the working poor with people like Trump (and Dark Avenger in LAX) firing left right and centre. That's where the fear comes from - loosing your job and the ramifications to families. But now the fear is in management's guts. With little Johnnie gone there should be no further "Americanisation" of the Aussie work force and their tactics wouldn't work with us anyway. We just want a fair go.
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Any one remember a few years back when there were wage freezes due to the company going through hard times and the connotation being that come the good times, then it would not be forgotten that we'd been a great bunch of fellas and gals, and we'd all share in the good times? Well with a forecast pre-tax profit of approx 1.5 billion (that's 1 followed by 9 zeros if you use American billion or 12 zeros if you use pommy) then I'd say good times have well and truly arrived, and I'd like to see a return on my 'good fella' voucher.
Mr Dixon should be aware that an 'elephant never forgets' when it's been mistreated.
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4. Can I be paid while taking industrial action?
It is illegal for an employer to pay an employee for any
period of industrial action, and for employees to accept
pay for any period of industrial action. It is also illegal for
a union and its members to make claims for pay for any
period of industrial action or to threaten further
industrial action for such pay. This prohibition applies
even if the industrial action is “protected”.
The prohibition does not apply where work has stopped
or is being performed differently by an employee or
employees who have a reasonable concern about an
imminent risk to their personal health and safety owing
to unsafe working conditions. Nor does it apply to
employees who are on leave or on a rostered day off.
Blackhander, I would interpret this as saying the company can not dock me for refusing O/Tor refusing higher duties only for a stop work meeting.
The down side is that the association can not stop anyone working as the company requests if they want to, and no penalty can be imposed by the association
It is illegal for an employer to pay an employee for any
period of industrial action, and for employees to accept
pay for any period of industrial action. It is also illegal for
a union and its members to make claims for pay for any
period of industrial action or to threaten further
industrial action for such pay. This prohibition applies
even if the industrial action is “protected”.
The prohibition does not apply where work has stopped
or is being performed differently by an employee or
employees who have a reasonable concern about an
imminent risk to their personal health and safety owing
to unsafe working conditions. Nor does it apply to
employees who are on leave or on a rostered day off.
Blackhander, I would interpret this as saying the company can not dock me for refusing O/Tor refusing higher duties only for a stop work meeting.
The down side is that the association can not stop anyone working as the company requests if they want to, and no penalty can be imposed by the association
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Wage Freeze
Whitenite, Satos & Hardnut,
Let me remind you that the wage freeze of which you speak, was only a pseudo wage freeze as far as the LAME’s were concerned.
Due to some clever negotiation, the majority of LAME’s received a pay rise during the term of that EBA through point allocation.The minority that were not afforded a pay rise were those that were quota locked.
How quickly we forget.
Let me remind you that the wage freeze of which you speak, was only a pseudo wage freeze as far as the LAME’s were concerned.
Due to some clever negotiation, the majority of LAME’s received a pay rise during the term of that EBA through point allocation.The minority that were not afforded a pay rise were those that were quota locked.
How quickly we forget.
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I'm sure thats one way it can be interpreted, probably depends on what side the lawyer is coming from.
Just another failure of this bull**** legislation that was rushed without any thought of how it actually works.
I'm sure thats one way it can be interpreted, probably depends on what side the lawyer is coming from.
Just another failure of this bull**** legislation that was rushed without any thought of how it actually works.