HyperMerged: Q Engineering LAME EBA VIII/Industrial Strategies

[terraform]

Thank you Fed Sec

Thanks Fed Sec. All the guys I talk to around these parts (BNE) are chomping at the bit. Lifes About Murrays Exit.

[FCMC]

Attention Bexley
Perth is ready to go. After what Murray did to us for the last year we will do whatever it takes. Of course theres the 3x DMMs and a few S/L that will bend the rules to keep it all going but the rest of us are awaiting your command.

[section 41]

As usual LMC's are only out for themselves, if you have a beef with your GM get over it and get on with your job.

For the people in Heavy who by the way are no more impressed with the paltry 3% offer can I say please stick to the issues and don't use the entire membership to get even with individuals in qantas mgt.

We are fighting for our survival every day with the reality being our work could go offshore if the decision was made to do so by senior mangement. The rabid dogs in the fed exec are doing little to ensure the survival of Heavy maint in Australia, of course Mr purvinass will be fine now he has taken his golden handshake from Qantas and is busy pursuing his political career.

Judging by the posts on this site I expect my comments to elicit a reaction, but before you do think about what we are about to do, what the consequences will be and where it will end. I am not a management stooge and am happy to stand up for our rights but les make sure we know what we are fighting for and what it may cost.

[rudderless1]

Its a democratic process why the contempt

It’s your vote section 41, use it how you please. No everyone sees grey clouds or is waiting for the sky to fall in. At least now the membership has a choice which won't be undermined or manipulated by a dodgy company stringed exec.

Don't just have a bitch; tell us why we can't aim higher than 3% and at least meet average wage growth of nearly 5% with record profits and huge productivity and efficiency gains.
Let me guess, your quite high up the tree and are aligned with the psycho terrorism this company uses to bash its employees to control costs rather than being smart enough to capitalise on its greatest asset.
When M, Cox and Vincent are pulled I hope the deadwood is cleaned up as well and replaced with people that actually know what LAME’s do. Look at the destruction these clowns have left behind.

[fordran]

I see you are a new ppruner 41 and what a time to join the debate. It seems you have been falsely convinced that taking action will be the downfall of us all. Wasn't it inaction from our union that closed SHM and led to greater offshoring? Would this have happened if we stood up for ourselves at the time and supported our workmates from our line stations? Do we have individual gripes against managers because they are making woeful decisions that have led to more offshoring and loss of many line contracts? Is this enough reason for us to want to act to remove tham?

I think so along with the majority in Adelaide. Bring it on.

[numbskull]

Sect 41,

Call their bluff. Don't be afraid of finding new work. That fear is exactly what they're relying on to push through substandard payrises.

Stand up to the ba$tards and tell them that if they don't pay you a fair days pay then they can shove their job up their ar$e and send the work wherever they bloody well like!!

If worst comes to worst then I guarantee that you will find work to sustain you and your family with the current skills shortage(who knows-a new job may even pay more and you'll probably love the change).

Your terms and conditions have been eroded for the last 5-7 years and if you allow it to continue you will be going backwards even more. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by taking a hard line. I think its a good time to give QF some hard negotiating back in return for all their sob stories of the last few years!!

[NAS1801]

section 41=pointy end=management stooge

[AEROMEDIC]

What are we fighting for ?

Section 41 , this must be your first and only job.

You have to stand up and do what is necessary to get fair conditions. This management will try all strategies to get you to work more and take less. They then pay themselves big bonuses for getting you to do just that!!!

Wake up and look around you.

You're in this industry now and you'll find that you will have more than one employer in your career.

(There is life after Qantas............)

[employes perspective]

section 41 your not a Dolly are you,i can't afford to go on strike i have 6 investment houses to pay off blah blah blah,grow a back bone and be a man,be a man.
All these threats of them about off shoring Syd H.M if we don't except their terms which we did and they still shut it down,and now look at the **** their in

[section 41]

Six replies, five insults/abuses,

You guys are predictable as ever.
Am I mgt stooge- No I will fight when I think we can win.
Have I ever worked for another organisation- in my 25 years in aviation (19 of them as a Lame) I have worked in a number of airlines and MRO's.
I am not scared or protecting my investment properties simply trying to make ends meet. I have seen the devstation of long industrial disputes first hand overseas, its not a nice thing!
Of the people who have posted how many of you are not from line maintenance angling for your grade 12 while the guys in heavy struggle along on their 5 or 6.

If you get to stick it up your bosses thats all that matters to you

[wingers]

YES

This day is called the Feast of Crispian: He that outlives this day, and comes safe home, Will stand a-tiptoe when the day is named, And rouse him at the name of Crispian. He that shall see this day and live t'old age, Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours, And say "To-morrow is Saint Crispian": Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars And say "These wounds I had on Crispin's day." Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages What feats he did that day.

[domo]

This day is call'd the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say, Tomorrow is Saint Crispian:
Then will he strip his sleeve and shew his scars,
And say, These wounds I had on Crispian's day.
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he 'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day: then shall our names
Familiar in their mouths as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloster
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd:
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
nd gentlemen in England, now a bed,
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here;
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon St. Crispin's day.'

so whats your point, are we to shed blood and become a band of brothers?

[split pin]

About Time

Good to see the tide is turning. The $$$ at the big red rat have been going backwards for years, unlike the profits!!!!

Fighting for your survival, rubbish. Who has the manpower and capacity just waiting around for QF to unload their fleet on. No one. There are shortages of manpower world wide.

Give it your best shot now, as you will only have to contemplate the same in 5 years.

And yes, there is life after QF, lovin it.

SP.

[Short_Circuit]

Why don’t engineers get a bonus every time an A/C departs on time.

Sounds fair to me, GD & Co get one for just doing their job!

L ets
A ve
M urrays
E ntrails

[acslame]

section 41
don't worry fella, these clowns would send the work offshore in
a heartbeat if there was a cheaper / available option.
Its the bluff they use on us every time.
And just because you are in heavy doesn't mean you are
on your own. We get threatened daily with jetstar , john holland,
Easa b1/b2 , 380 ,losing customers , and tiger air is coming
blah blah ect and so on!!!!
Now I came to think of it it was easy back in heavy 'cause
they only used to threaten sending the work offshore.
FACT these F**KWITS running the show have ballsed things up soooo
bad that all they have left is to blame the union and the workforce.
You are no company stooge, just concerned for you job , and
rightly so.
However SP has been a major pain in the ass to muz and co.
and he has bone some really good work so far.
Now is the time to take them on and expose them for the
lying frauds they are!!!! That is how to save your job
Keep the faith

[Big M]

M FIDDLES WHILST ACS BURNS.

For those who don’t know, today and tomorrow, all members of the ACS supervisory structure have downed tools(pens) to attend M’s latest Leadership Forum, or “Love in” as they’ve become known. I’m sure everyone’s having a great time hunkered down in The Airport Hilton, surrounded by “Intelligent Space” and “ACS core values”, with every word, speech and group hugging exercise being carried out/performed with “Strategy Map II principles” as a guide. A laugh a minute I’m sure! Oh and before we get going don’t forget the safety brief on how to exit the room if anything untoward should happen. I hope a risk assessment or at a minimum, a safety observation was carried out before hand.

All the DE’s and foreman have dutifully succumbed to M’s fear campaign of “there will be ‘consequences’ for non attendance” Ha ha ha, what did you all think would happen if you pulled a sickie and didn’t front? I wonder if everyone completed the required homework before attendance at kindergarten this morning? Yep, that’s right…. homework – every student must complete their own personal “Leadership plan” and bring it along for marking. I’m sure M is under the false assumption that people who fix aircraft for a living actually like being a part of this crap. Good thing though is that once a LAME, always a LAME and the built in scepticism and distrust of anything sprouted by M will be in plentiful supply. Sure there are the “Yes” men who will outwardly go along with whatever the latest agenda/stuff up is but I think the silent majority will all be bored to tears and count the seconds until it’s all over.

The word on the street is the real agenda is an attempt to get the supervisor’s “on board” in support of the company’s paltry EBA offer. Try and get the DE’s and foreman to sing the praises of the EBA to the ‘troops’. How do you do this? Well, what was in the offer? – basically not much for the troops but a nice sweetener of an increase for all the supervisor/higher duty allowances and some movement of quota positions that only affect or are of benefit to those at the ‘top end of the tree’
At the same time keep the engine of the fear campaign running at full rev’s. i.e “consequences” for non attendance, we can’t compete with other MRO’s, our wages are “unsustainable”, more than a 3% increase would cause the sky to fall in, John Holland is on the horizon, etc,etc,etc. All the same old crappy propaganda cranked out again at EBA time.

The 3rd floor probably know the LAME’s have had enough over the years and now want some real recognition in the form of a “fair and decent” pay rise from the current EBA. They know the past methods and pathetic powerpoint sales jobs from the likes of the Fat Controller will no longer ‘cut it’. They even reached for the cupboard straight away to bring out that old faithful “If this isn’t voted in you risk having the back pay taken away”. Not even a little to and fro – BORING. They know it’s an impossible job to sell us this turd so therefore the latest efforts to get the supervisor’s “on board” in an attempt to sell it from within and avoid the upcoming industrial action –can’t wait till January! After all, as part of the ‘ACS Leadership Team’ one of your tasks is to lead the boys in a way which is in keeping with the ‘corporate’ line. One of the DE’s in syd has already been down ‘on the floor’ warning the boys about the consequences of their vote and playing up the fear campaign No doubt all those in attendance will be threatened with all manner of consequences if they don’t carry out higher duties or do overtime when the action starts. Good old divisive tactics – I for one have faith that the majority currently soaking up M’s crap will not take the bait or the fear from above and wholeheartedly be a part of any action should it become necessary/imperative. Remember guys, if it comes down to it, you will be involved in legally sanctioned action, approved by the Australian Industrial Relations Commission in an effort to improve your working conditions – no more, no less.

Of course, the membership of the Association may decide not to begin action, 50% of the membership must vote, and 50% of the return must be in favour of action for it to be lawful. To my mind there is ‘that feeling’ in the air at the moment that the vote will be for action. A bit like that feeling in the air before the recent federal election, however substitute M for Little Johnny. There are so many people disengaged from any form of management at the moment it’s laughable, and those LAME badges now have a bigger and bigger following – I’m seeing them on more and more vests. Ha ha ha.

Once all the supervisors are back, let's see which ones will be having 'informal' meetings, walk arounds and "chat's with the boys" while singing from M's songsheet. It will be interesting - a word of warning to those who try it on, the boys won't be listening and they'll see straight through you. After all, where are all the great improvements that were supposed to come from the last round of love-in's, which took the form of a 'Deliverance' style river trip?

I’m strapped in and ready to go…….. waiting by the letterbox for my ballot paper and looking forward to it. Bring it on.


P.S. For those at the “Love In” be warned about being tempted to slip down the road to the Rowers for a few cold ones. One of M’s first tasks after moving into the 3rd floor was to sack four of your co-workers for this very offence. He’s not a ‘fan’ of drinking and you may still be classed as being ‘at work’ in a legal sense. If you can’t resist the temptation , keep your eye out for Managers son’s who may just be lurking in licenced premises with a camera phone. Hey, there might even be random testing in the morning in accordance with policy. Stay under 0.02% fella’s !!

[FCMC]

Great post Big M

Im not sure if our 3 brainwashed DMM's would bother giving us
a run down afterwards as they know they will be laughed out of the room.
We never listen to them at the best of times and hopefully one of them
will be leaving for ADL very soon.
PER cant wait for the vote!
SP keep up the great work!

[Spanner Turner]

Oh dear,
Big M, if everything you posted wasn't so true, I would laugh. Unfortunately, all you said is very close to the mark. You did however forget to mention "Crossing the bridge of trust"

[Talkwrench]

Nice one Big M

Yes Big M, well said! Everyone knows this is an uncompetitive EBA offer. Surely the company must know that when they try to recruit the front line supervisory staff to sell the deal, any hard earned respect and goodwill that a supervisor has with his staff is immediately evaporated as soon as he or she starts to spruik the substandard deal. I guess this just another tactic from QE to try and avoid the inevitable. Unfortunately it is wasted time at this stage. The supers would have been better off staying on the job and getting planes out. Luckily for us the majority of the membership are not in M’s Leadership Team. Good to hear Sydney and Perth are ready. I can tell you BNE is itchin. Anyone know how MEL is looking?

[primethius]

This post is interesting in that it vilifies Section 41 for having an opion and quotes the Bard as if the Asn is engaging in a battle.
Why hasn't any of the posters questioned the salary of the Fed Sec especially since as of the redundacies he is no longer in the employ of the Aircraft Industry.
The ALAEA is not the Aircraft industry it is merely an instrumentality of the business.
Much like the Salvos are part of the Stock market.
We all question the executive salaries of Airline Management but the Non for profit Organisation salary structure of an employee funded institution should remain unquestioned.
Not for profit means no Tax I'm sure we would all like to enjoy that privelege.

The previous to last Fed Sec D.K. was castigated for his held postiton by this one but of course passing judgement of things of the past are not in the current context.
Since we are into quoting the Bard "No man can sit in judgement over those who have ruled before him unless he too his judged by himself" As you like it.

Sa