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Massive QF aircraft orders
Just spotted on smh.com
http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/...766735648.html
Qantas has handed down the biggest aircraft order in aviation history, buying up to 188 narrow body aircraft for short haul flights.
The airline said the funding of the purchases won't affect its investment grade credit rating.
The new aircraft will be used to defend Qantas' minimum 65 per cent share of the Australian domestic market and to expand low cost services to South East Asia.
The plan also involves Jetstar opening new regional aviation bases in both Darwin and Perth over the next two years to serve fast growing Asian markets.
Most of the new aircraft will be Boeing 737-800s, and Airbus A320s.
The order also includes larger A321 aircraft, which will have up to 213 seats, compared with 177 on an A320 in a Jetstar single-class configuration.
The first aircraft to arrive in February will be an A321.
"We expect to take at least 17 of those aircraft to expand Jetstar's opportunities in its fastest growing markets," chief executive Geoff Dixon said.
Qantas will acquire 68 A320/A321 aircraft and has 40 options and purchase rights.
It will also buy 31 B737-800 aircraft, and has 49 options and purchase rights.
"The firm aircraft will be delivered over a six year period, while options secured additional delivery slots through to 2017," Qantas said.
Mr Dixon said: "This decision, together with existing A380 and B787 fleet commitments, secures an order stream for next generation aircraft that will allow the group to meet long term demand growth and replace older aircraft over the next decade.
"The plan provides maximum flexibility to respond to changes in the market and competitive situation.
"In an environment where our customers have more options than ever before, this investment will ensure that Qantas and Jetstar continue to provide customers with superior network reach, choice and product."
He said some of the Airbus aircraft would also be used to supply capacity to the group's Asian associates.
Qantas is preparing to receive its first superjumbo A380 aircraft in August 2008.
Jetstar will later launch the B787 Dreamliner to underpin the expansion of its low cost international services.
"We are confident that the orders we have placed provide the right aircraft, with the right product and right economics to ensure the continued success of Qantas and Jetstar both domestically and internationally," Mr Dixon said.
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/...766735648.html
Qantas has handed down the biggest aircraft order in aviation history, buying up to 188 narrow body aircraft for short haul flights.
The airline said the funding of the purchases won't affect its investment grade credit rating.
The new aircraft will be used to defend Qantas' minimum 65 per cent share of the Australian domestic market and to expand low cost services to South East Asia.
The plan also involves Jetstar opening new regional aviation bases in both Darwin and Perth over the next two years to serve fast growing Asian markets.
Most of the new aircraft will be Boeing 737-800s, and Airbus A320s.
The order also includes larger A321 aircraft, which will have up to 213 seats, compared with 177 on an A320 in a Jetstar single-class configuration.
The first aircraft to arrive in February will be an A321.
"We expect to take at least 17 of those aircraft to expand Jetstar's opportunities in its fastest growing markets," chief executive Geoff Dixon said.
Qantas will acquire 68 A320/A321 aircraft and has 40 options and purchase rights.
It will also buy 31 B737-800 aircraft, and has 49 options and purchase rights.
"The firm aircraft will be delivered over a six year period, while options secured additional delivery slots through to 2017," Qantas said.
Mr Dixon said: "This decision, together with existing A380 and B787 fleet commitments, secures an order stream for next generation aircraft that will allow the group to meet long term demand growth and replace older aircraft over the next decade.
"The plan provides maximum flexibility to respond to changes in the market and competitive situation.
"In an environment where our customers have more options than ever before, this investment will ensure that Qantas and Jetstar continue to provide customers with superior network reach, choice and product."
He said some of the Airbus aircraft would also be used to supply capacity to the group's Asian associates.
Qantas is preparing to receive its first superjumbo A380 aircraft in August 2008.
Jetstar will later launch the B787 Dreamliner to underpin the expansion of its low cost international services.
"We are confident that the orders we have placed provide the right aircraft, with the right product and right economics to ensure the continued success of Qantas and Jetstar both domestically and internationally," Mr Dixon said.
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Look out!!
Yeah just read this myself,
Given the worsening situation with crew shortages at the moment, it looks like the bangalorian (can't perform a steep turn or engine out procedure) CPL'ers might be getting an opening here.
Where will Q get the crews to fly them? Or will these be replacing already operational aircraft? I think they may well be "in addition" to the fleet.
Bangalore here we come....
Given the worsening situation with crew shortages at the moment, it looks like the bangalorian (can't perform a steep turn or engine out procedure) CPL'ers might be getting an opening here.
Where will Q get the crews to fly them? Or will these be replacing already operational aircraft? I think they may well be "in addition" to the fleet.
Bangalore here we come....
Qantas Unveils Short Haul Fleet Plan For The Next Decade
MELBOURNE, 14 November 2007: Qantas today announced that it would acquire up to 188 narrow body aircraft to support the further growth of its two brands, Qantas and Jetstar, in Australia and Asia.
The aircraft will be used to defend a minimum 65 percent Group share of the Australian domestic market and to expand low cost services to South East Asia.
The plan will involve Jetstar opening new regional aviation bases in both Darwin and Perth over the next two years to serve fast growing Asian markets.
Qantas Chief Executive Mr Geoff Dixon said the aircraft would be principally B737-800s, which were Qantas’ main narrowbody aircraft, and A320s, which were the core aircraft in Jetstar’s short haul fleet.
“The order also includes larger A321 aircraft, which will have up to 213 seats compared with 177 on an A320 in a Jetstar single-class configuration,” he said.
“The first aircraft to arrive in February next year will be an A321 and we expect to take at least 17 of those aircraft to expand Jetstar’s opportunities in its fastest growing markets.”
The Group will acquire:
· 68 A320/A321 aircraft, plus 40 options and purchase rights; and
· 31 B737-800 aircraft and 49 options and purchase rights.
The firm aircraft will be delivered over a six year period, while options secured additional delivery slots through to 2017.
Mr Dixon said that the Group had the ability to fund the aircraft without affecting its investment grade credit rating.
“This decision, together with existing A380 and B787 fleet commitments, secures an order stream for next generation aircraft that will allow the Group to meet long term demand growth and replace older
aircraft over the next decade,” Mr Dixon said.
“The plan provides maximum flexibility to respond to changes in the market and competitive situation.
“In an environment where our customers have more options than ever before, this investment will ensure that Qantas and Jetstar continue to provide customers with superior network reach, choice and product.”
Mr Dixon said the B737-800s would all have the latest inflight entertainment technology and would be delivered from early 2009.
“This further investment in the latest aircraft technology will also underpin our efficiency drive by lowering operating costs, while at the same time minimising the Group’s environmental impact as we grow,” he said.
“The B737-800 has a 25 percent lower fuel burn per seat and 30 percent lower maintenance cost compared with older equivalent aircraft.
“The engines for the new aircraft will have improved technology that exceeds all current environmental regulatory standards in relation to both emissions and noise.”
Mr Dixon said the A321 aircraft offered superior seat-kilometre costs and would deliver a further benefit in operational costs for Jetstar.
He said some of the Airbus aircraft would also be used to supply capacity to the Group’s Asian associates.
The order comes as Qantas is preparing to receive its first A380, the flagship of the premium fleet, in August 2008, while Jetstar will subsequently launch the B787 Dreamliner to underpin the expansion of its low cost international services.
“We are confident that the orders we have placed provide the right aircraft, with the right product and right economics to ensure the continued success of Qantas and Jetstar both domestically and internationally,” Mr Dixon said.
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (Q3687)
Media inquires: Belinda de Rome – Tel 02 9691 3762
The B738's will replace the B734's (approx 21) in mainline service with the remainder being expansion - good news for mainline crew promotions. By far the biggest expansion is for Jetstar as it appears that all the A320's/A321's are in addition to the existing fleet - some will go to Jetstar Asia/Pacific Airlines (Vietnam). The huge numbers of crews required must be of concern even if most of the F/O positions are filled by graduates of the new QF training courses in conjunction with various tertiary institutions. Having sufficient experienced pilots to upgrade to command status will be the major problem.
The aircraft will be used to defend a minimum 65 percent Group share of the Australian domestic market and to expand low cost services to South East Asia.
The plan will involve Jetstar opening new regional aviation bases in both Darwin and Perth over the next two years to serve fast growing Asian markets.
Qantas Chief Executive Mr Geoff Dixon said the aircraft would be principally B737-800s, which were Qantas’ main narrowbody aircraft, and A320s, which were the core aircraft in Jetstar’s short haul fleet.
“The order also includes larger A321 aircraft, which will have up to 213 seats compared with 177 on an A320 in a Jetstar single-class configuration,” he said.
“The first aircraft to arrive in February next year will be an A321 and we expect to take at least 17 of those aircraft to expand Jetstar’s opportunities in its fastest growing markets.”
The Group will acquire:
· 68 A320/A321 aircraft, plus 40 options and purchase rights; and
· 31 B737-800 aircraft and 49 options and purchase rights.
The firm aircraft will be delivered over a six year period, while options secured additional delivery slots through to 2017.
Mr Dixon said that the Group had the ability to fund the aircraft without affecting its investment grade credit rating.
“This decision, together with existing A380 and B787 fleet commitments, secures an order stream for next generation aircraft that will allow the Group to meet long term demand growth and replace older
aircraft over the next decade,” Mr Dixon said.
“The plan provides maximum flexibility to respond to changes in the market and competitive situation.
“In an environment where our customers have more options than ever before, this investment will ensure that Qantas and Jetstar continue to provide customers with superior network reach, choice and product.”
Mr Dixon said the B737-800s would all have the latest inflight entertainment technology and would be delivered from early 2009.
“This further investment in the latest aircraft technology will also underpin our efficiency drive by lowering operating costs, while at the same time minimising the Group’s environmental impact as we grow,” he said.
“The B737-800 has a 25 percent lower fuel burn per seat and 30 percent lower maintenance cost compared with older equivalent aircraft.
“The engines for the new aircraft will have improved technology that exceeds all current environmental regulatory standards in relation to both emissions and noise.”
Mr Dixon said the A321 aircraft offered superior seat-kilometre costs and would deliver a further benefit in operational costs for Jetstar.
He said some of the Airbus aircraft would also be used to supply capacity to the Group’s Asian associates.
The order comes as Qantas is preparing to receive its first A380, the flagship of the premium fleet, in August 2008, while Jetstar will subsequently launch the B787 Dreamliner to underpin the expansion of its low cost international services.
“We are confident that the orders we have placed provide the right aircraft, with the right product and right economics to ensure the continued success of Qantas and Jetstar both domestically and internationally,” Mr Dixon said.
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (Q3687)
Media inquires: Belinda de Rome – Tel 02 9691 3762
The B738's will replace the B734's (approx 21) in mainline service with the remainder being expansion - good news for mainline crew promotions. By far the biggest expansion is for Jetstar as it appears that all the A320's/A321's are in addition to the existing fleet - some will go to Jetstar Asia/Pacific Airlines (Vietnam). The huge numbers of crews required must be of concern even if most of the F/O positions are filled by graduates of the new QF training courses in conjunction with various tertiary institutions. Having sufficient experienced pilots to upgrade to command status will be the major problem.
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The huge numbers of crews required must be of concern even if most of the F/O positions are filled by graduates of the new QF training courses in conjunction with various tertiary institutions. Having sufficient experienced pilots to upgrade to command status will be the major problem
The only way to stop the bleeding is to OFFER PROGRESSION AND OFFER IT NOW!!.By the time the morons managers do anything all that'll be left are a few old farts & mostly cadets.
See youse!
TD, I totally agree with you. It's a massive waste of experienced pilots who feel a sense of loyalty to Qantas but having been shafted for so long they are left with no choice but to make their very experienced skills available to other airlines. They leave with the support and best wishes of their peers.
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The plan also involves Jetstar opening new regional aviation bases in both Darwin and Perth over the next two years
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Guys, c'mon!
Most of your fleet is not exactly new and these aircraft all wont be arriving on the same day. With the price of fuel and the fact that the South East Asian market is ready to grow again, give your leadership some kudos for making a smart business decision. Yeah, the regionals are suffering from a shortage of crew..so what! When I was freshly hired at JFK into the little Jetstream 41 in 1996 we lost 30 captains in 30 days. Most of us upgraded in less than 10 months and the show went on.
I recently flew on QF to Auckland and Sydney, then back to LAX with my three boys. The flights were full and the service was fantastic. The flight attendants were very good with my three year old. I would not even consider flying with any other airline back home. I spoke with several Yanks that were amazed how good it was. They think QF should give lessons over here to the US carriers.
Celebrate the future...it's so bright, you gotta wear shades!
Most of your fleet is not exactly new and these aircraft all wont be arriving on the same day. With the price of fuel and the fact that the South East Asian market is ready to grow again, give your leadership some kudos for making a smart business decision. Yeah, the regionals are suffering from a shortage of crew..so what! When I was freshly hired at JFK into the little Jetstream 41 in 1996 we lost 30 captains in 30 days. Most of us upgraded in less than 10 months and the show went on.
I recently flew on QF to Auckland and Sydney, then back to LAX with my three boys. The flights were full and the service was fantastic. The flight attendants were very good with my three year old. I would not even consider flying with any other airline back home. I spoke with several Yanks that were amazed how good it was. They think QF should give lessons over here to the US carriers.
Celebrate the future...it's so bright, you gotta wear shades!
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Just a quick question. How many of the A320 aircraft are going to go to the Asian operations? I thought I read somewhere that Pacific Airlines was to have 12 aircraft. Be interesting to find out.
Also, Jetconnect. Don't they have 3 734's (and getting one more)? so that means mainline only has 18 734's, right?
Good for both airlines I reckon. As for Jetstar, I think we should find out the breakdown of where the aircraft are going before we get too excited.
Also, Jetconnect. Don't they have 3 734's (and getting one more)? so that means mainline only has 18 734's, right?
Good for both airlines I reckon. As for Jetstar, I think we should find out the breakdown of where the aircraft are going before we get too excited.
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The order also includes larger A321 aircraft, which will have up to 213 seats, compared with 177 on an A320 in a Jetstar single-class configuration.
How much do you think the JPC will get (as increased pay) for the increased productivity of it's pilots?
I bet I know the answer.
How much do you think the JPC will get (as increased pay) for the increased productivity of it's pilots?
I bet I know the answer.
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I'd say net gain for mainline = 6 x 738s.
I believe there's 19 734s left flying with mainline, which would be replaced, plus the 5 or 6 over at JetConnect which leaves a net gain for mainline of about 6 a/c. Surely they'll firm up some options before 2017... Right? Right?
Of the 68 for Jetstar there could well be more bound for Singapore not just the new operation in Vietnam. Either way, sounds like there'll be substantial growth for Jetstar.
Funny this, I just posted a question this morning asking when QF were going to order more narrowbodies!
I believe there's 19 734s left flying with mainline, which would be replaced, plus the 5 or 6 over at JetConnect which leaves a net gain for mainline of about 6 a/c. Surely they'll firm up some options before 2017... Right? Right?
Of the 68 for Jetstar there could well be more bound for Singapore not just the new operation in Vietnam. Either way, sounds like there'll be substantial growth for Jetstar.
Funny this, I just posted a question this morning asking when QF were going to order more narrowbodies!
OhForSure - this was my reply on that thread
The Boeing twin fleet manager said (some time ago) that plans are to increase the B737 fleet to 65-70 aircraft and the B738 economics are superior to the B734 so he expected the fleet to end up all B738. The original B738 order, late 2001, was for 15 firm plus 60 options (at the significantly discounted price that the post 9/11 market offered). Thus the entire fleet could be standardised at discount prices. I believe that the options have slots on the production line.
At the same time, the Qantas group has been looking at standardising the group's single aisle fleet (up to 200 aircraft) and the media indicate that a decision is imminent. It is quite possible that the entire fleet of B737's could be traded in to Airbus and replaced by A320's. I personally don't think that this will happen - it may be better to wait and be a launch customer for an entirely new and significantly more efficient (and quieter) single aisle aircraft which both manufacturers have been proposing.
At the same time, the Qantas group has been looking at standardising the group's single aisle fleet (up to 200 aircraft) and the media indicate that a decision is imminent. It is quite possible that the entire fleet of B737's could be traded in to Airbus and replaced by A320's. I personally don't think that this will happen - it may be better to wait and be a launch customer for an entirely new and significantly more efficient (and quieter) single aisle aircraft which both manufacturers have been proposing.
