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NJS Pilots - 97% vote for Protected Industrial Action

Old 24th Oct 2007, 10:49
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NJS Pilots - 97% vote for Protected Industrial Action

Results of secret ballot of NJS pilots:

97% YES

.....to all 10 forms of industrial action approved by AIRC Senior Deputy President Lacy.

NJS pilots can now take legal, protected, industrial action in pursuit of their claim for a decent collective agreement.

They can choose whichever of the 10 methods to use as they desire, at a time of their choosing.

1. 4 hour stoppages.
2. 24 hour stoppages.
3. 48 hour stoppages.
4. Overtime bans.
5. Callout and callback bans.
6. Refusal of roster changes inside 7 days.
7. Refusal of duty extensions (NJS operates under the CAO 48 exemption).
8. Refuse to fly aircraft carrying defects (operating under OMEL, manufacturer Configuration Deviation List, PUS provisions).
9. Refuse to wear the uniform.
10. Refuse to use personal telephones for company contact and/or company business (therefore uncontactable for crewing shortages, etc)

NJS pilots are warmed up and ready to play. A full bag of clubs, and the TWU as their caddy, veterans of many successful tours.

After years of 'gentlemans' discussions, NJS pilots got nowhere. They said "Hey, start paying attention. There is a shortage, your pilots are sick of this. We don't want more money, we just want our terms and conditions honoured."

NJS thought - Idle threat. Pilots will fold, again. Its just a noisy minority, the usual suspects. They never organised themselves properly in the past!

Pilots joined TWU in droves. 80% membership within a month or two.


NJS thought - Hmm. Oh well, anyone can join a union. They wont push for industrial action. Its just not their way.

Pilots applied to AIRC for protected industrial action.


NJS thought - Hmm. Don't worry, we can oppose the application on the grounds of damage to the economy and third party interests.

Senior Deputy President Lacy approved the Industrial Action.


NJS thought - Hmm. Not so good. But we will request 7 days notice of any action. We are a special case - australia's specialist aviation service company!

Senior Deputy President Lacy said - your arguments are "short on detail and unconvincing." You are a normal aussie business. Standard notice period only.


NJS thought - Don't worry. Pilots will never vote it up. They'll be too worried about their jobs!

Pilots overwhelmingly vote in favour of all ten proposed action items.



Hey, NJS, how many times do you roll the dice before you work out you are LOSING?!?!?

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Old 24th Oct 2007, 10:53
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A combination of all 10 would be nice! Fancy dress would be interesting though... any suggestions?
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 11:02
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A combination of all 10 would be nice! Fancy dress would be interesting though... any suggestions?
I suggest "wigs". Afro's are good.
Seriously, good luck to NJS crews in achieving your goals.

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Old 24th Oct 2007, 11:28
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Gee, 97% eh?

Now that's a familiar figure to quite a few people from that-year-we-dare-not-mention-here.

(Just in case there's someone out there who needs a translation: 97% was the percentage of pilots who voted who were in favour of industrial action back in 198tynine.)
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 11:39
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Yeah but not one will be 'resigning' this time... the beauty of PIA.
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 11:40
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97% is a pretty solid result for ALL ten questions. What were the absolute numbers, that is, how many actually voted?
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 12:02
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Waiting for Pas A Frozo and Aircraft to kick this thread along....
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 12:49
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97% is a pretty solid result for ALL ten questions. What were the absolute numbers, that is, how many actually voted?
Voting papers were sent by the AEC to all NJS Pilots that were both (a) TWU members and (b) on expired AWAs. TWU coverage at NJS is over 80% of line pilots. Around 55% of pilots are on expired AWA, that is, the nominal expiry date of the AWA has passed and a new agreement is due. New hires and recent command upgrades/fleet changers are on current AWA.

Vote was conducted strictly in accordance with the rules (Workplace Relations Act 1996, as amended by "WorkChoices") and overseen by an independent government agency (AEC = Australian Electoral Commission, Adelaide office).

Vote was by secret ballot. No 'peer pressure' by asking for a show of hands at a meeting. I don't know what happened back in eightee9, but this one was a government ballot paper, completed in the privacy of the pilot's home, straight into a sealed envelope to the AEC.

The vote would have been carried if at least 50% of eligible pilots had voted and returned at 50%+1 in favour. The fact that 100% of eligible pilots voted, no donkey votes, no votes discarded due to incorrect marking or not following voting instructions, giving a result of 97% in favour of ALL proposed actions, prompted an involuntary response of "Remarkable!" from a seasoned industrial player!

There is a clear message here. The NJS pilots have stuck religiously to the rules. The WorkChoices rules were designed by prominent right-wing lobbyists, legal, and industrial specialists to eliminate all possible 'undesireable' union influence and persuasive tactics. Many NJS pilots that would like to have voted "yes" were excluded by their current AWA status.

This result is cleaner than a whistle. 2 pilots dissenting out of 70+ eligible to vote. The lunatic fringe will make their hysterical arguments... they will just have to wait until a Fascist party puts up some candidates for Federal parliament.

In the meantime, NJS senior management is having a "real world" experience. They didn't listen to their 'gentlemans' Pilot Groups, they didn't heed the warnings of their Flight Operations people, they didn't wake up and smell the coffee.

Time for NJS to stop its posturing, and come to the table.

Lets talk.
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 13:00
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Funny, isnt it? If someone hadnt been so keen to push Far Horizons up the pilots es a year ago theyd still all be on AWA.
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Waiting for Pas A Frozo and Aircraft to kick this thread along....
I need to know something first...

What is it that is hoped will be achieved? This statement from ITCZ didn't actually make sense:

NJS pilots can now take legal, protected, industrial action in pursuit of their claim for a decent collective agreement.
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 13:31
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If you can't work it out from ITCZ's first post then you're obviously not smart enough to be commenting further anyway.

Back in your box.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUvEouWA29o

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Old 24th Oct 2007, 14:20
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9. Refuse to wear the uniform.
What? No ties? WTF am I going to pin my long-service medal to??

ps: Keg 1, Aircraft 0.
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 15:36
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Thumbs down You cannot be serious?

This statement from ITCZ didn't actually make sense:


Quote:
NJS pilots can now take legal, protected, industrial action in pursuit of their claim for a decent collective agreement.
Where are your brains aircraft?
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 16:21
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Good luck guys.
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A combination of all 10 would be nice! ... any suggestions
Yes don't forget your clackers!

Hey Pakistan-Air-Airforce, better warm up the Hercs and the frozos.....
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 23:10
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Why couldn't the AFAP do this ?.
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 23:29
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Why couldn't the AFAP do this ?.
Cause its all toooo hard.
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 23:52
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Can't help but think that this action will be the first turn of the worm in this shortage of experience that is becoming very apparent.

Best of luck to all at NJS.

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Old 25th Oct 2007, 00:50
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Hmmm let's see... 55% on expired AWAs. Let's be generous and assume that 90% of them were TWU members. Of those, 97% were in favour... well I don't know how many pilots are in NJS, but by my math, that isn't even a majority of pilots in NJS who voted yes. So the 97% figure would appear to be an ever-so-slight distortion of the real picture. Could be wrong though. Somebody enlighten me...
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