Want the JOB but will not pay 35k for it?

[galdian]

Outtahere

Obviously you got your first jet rating 10 years ago, it's like getting your first flying job - from that you can build and grow.

You dealt with what was available then and that has got you to where you are now.

Others have to deal with what is available now and, for better or worse, it is different from your day and mine.

I believe you can be grateful for what was available in "your" day and where it has taken you and allow people to make decisions based on what is available in "their" day and where that might take them.

[404 Titan]

galdian

I think what Outtahere is saying is that those same airlines that didn't require him to pay for endorsements over the last 10 years still don't require pilots to pay for endorsements today. The reality today is that world wide less airlines require you to pay for your endorsement than five years ago. It is only a matter of time before airlines in Australia will have to follow the world wide trend and the crewing problems become more accute.

[galdian]

404 Titan

Fair enough when you are talking world wide however as always the concept of "God's own country" comes into play when talking about our special corner of the world.

Paying for your endorsement is not the way it should be however, if I were a betting man, I would bet it will not essentially change - maybe tinkered with a bit but still remain a cost to the pilot one way or another.

Up to each individual to decide what they want out of their aviation career, where they want it (or are willing to live) and what they are willing/not willing to do to achieve their aims and goals.

Even Qantas proper are getting into the game - if the rumour is true that new 737 Captains will be on reduced pay then they are effectively paying for their "Command" endorsement.
Very surprised to see that in Qantas proper and does make me wonder how long before the Sim/training system is made more cost effective like other airlines in Australia.

Can't happen?? Wanna make a bet???

[Swanie]

Just a question based on a few of the more recent changes I've observed throughout my rather limited industry experience..
Recently I'm sure we are all aware that more and more pilots are paying for TR/jobs (thus this thread) and entry requirements of REX QF-link ect, falling allowing operators to hire relatively low houred pilots and get payed in the process..

My question is this, will making a stand, and forcing operators to fund TR and training costs drive the entry requirements back up to where they previously were? Meaning that new pilots will be forced to stay in the bush/instructional flying area for a few extra years building their hours to levels currently not needed?

Be nice

[Gnadenburg]

"I will be better off" excuse to justify walking over other people to get their jet job. Saying "I will be $500,000 to $750,000 better off by paying" is crap. If everyone didn't pay, and the airlines were forced to pay for the training, then you would have been $530,000 to $780,000 better off.

Yeah.

I didn't understand that post either. How is a professional better off by paying for his training?

I didn't pay for airline my training. Bought an inner city terrace instead. On that one deal only, I am six figures better off compounded a decade later.

The pilot who pays for his training, has utilised approximately an entire year of savings which could have been invested or enjoyed. With a view to the very poor First officer salaries you get in an LCC.

Now consider it over a career. How many more times will this pilot pay for his training or buy a job through an endorsement? You would be destitute at worst and far from financially independant at best; and as a consequence vulnerable to accepting whatever is presented by employers during negotiations.

Rich pilots. Poor pilots.