717s for Sunnies & Eastern?
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So eastern and sunny pilots going to shell out for their own endorsements? or QF just going to happily fork out millions ( a la Southern ) to put the easterners into jets ??
Slightly off thread ( but still on the under cutting bit ) I find it almost hilarious QF short haul have just voted in agreement to pay new captains less, and its virtually slipped under the radar
Thats not how we did it in Ansett
Slightly off thread ( but still on the under cutting bit ) I find it almost hilarious QF short haul have just voted in agreement to pay new captains less, and its virtually slipped under the radar
Thats not how we did it in Ansett
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NJS more 717's to come
the operator will be NJS and will obtain more aircraft on behalf of QF which are currently being sourced by QF to suppliment the current fleet for east coast operation next year with more changes at Bull**** Castle imminent NJS will rise from the ashes once more but with a fleet of 717's
Ejets and tiger are a bigger danger than QF/Jstar have envisaged the same as Tolls rise in the Freight department which AAE laughed at only 1 year ago
Ejets and tiger are a bigger danger than QF/Jstar have envisaged the same as Tolls rise in the Freight department which AAE laughed at only 1 year ago
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And besides ace, there won't be anyone with substantive experience left at easterns to fly a jet 
they're all going to other operators because theyre sick of being bull****ted to by MFO and his cronies from the AFAP. They think people will stay for a -Q400 with it's 'jet-like' speeds. Let MFO save the CB base. They knived the easterns pilots after last EBA, now reap what you sow.
Good luck on yer hogs tour mate.
Oh the pain......the pain
they're all going to other operators because theyre sick of being bull****ted to by MFO and his cronies from the AFAP. They think people will stay for a -Q400 with it's 'jet-like' speeds. Let MFO save the CB base. They knived the easterns pilots after last EBA, now reap what you sow.Good luck on yer hogs tour mate.
Oh the pain......the pain
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717's for Easterns & Sunstate?? I think they still have separate AOC's. Which one would the 717 be placed on??
It would be similar to watching a group of seagulls fight over the last chip.
It would be similar to watching a group of seagulls fight over the last chip.
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forget 717's....
Think embraer 170 or RJ 1000..........................word is the powers that be are looking to off set the Virgin onslaught - maybe a little late I feel
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Simple solution to retain regional crew-give them all the chance to feed in to the qantas mainline group,forget the bulls&it apptitude tests,look after the crew and they shall remain faithfull,treat them like idiots,park aeroplanes against the fence...fairly simple one would think!
From the Bombardier website:
Somehow I don't think it's qlink, but who knows... they aren't due till 2009 and I guess the 717's will be outta lease by then?
An undisclosed customer has placed a firm order for 15 of the aircraft, with a conditional order for an additional 15. Based on CRJ1000 list price, the contract value for this 15 aircraft firm order is approximately $704 million US, which could increase to $1.5 billion US if the airline's 15 conditional orders are executed.
2009 and I guess the 717's will be outta lease by then?
Lead sled-1000s for Oz. Hmmm. Now let's see. Where have we got 3500m of concrete for these little puppies? Yeh, let's put them up against the Jungle Jets. Yeh, right...
short flights long nights
Actually Bloggs..only 1880m required for a -1000. Believe it or not other aircraft types can fly in WA..and they may just do that.
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Apparently Sunstate to become the Dash 8 AOC holder and Eastern to have the CRJ900/1000's on their AOC.... do you think Sunstate Pilots will want a single line seniority list?????
Bombardier targets Qantaslink to replace the B717's with the new C series
At an aviation expo last week, a Bombardier spokesman told me that Qantaslink was firmly in their sights as a launch customer for the new C series with deliveries starting 2013.
Advantages that are being touted for the C series are:-
Composite technology wings/empenage
Aluminium Lithium Pressurised fuselage
Superior field performance and range
Widebody cabin comfort and storage
New advanced technology engines
Advanced flight deck
Claims are that the C series will have 15% lower operating costs than current "New 100+ seat jets" and 17-20% less fuel than current "New 100+ seat jets". Also, large reductions in emissions and noise are promised.
Four models are being developed: C110, C110ER, C130, C130ER (not to be confused with the military trash-hauler). The model numbers relect the seating capacity with one class 32" pitch.
Figures are:
C110, Max pax range 1800NM, MTOW 53,887kgs, MLW 50,349kgs, Payload 13,971kgs, Thrust 23,300lbs, TOFL (MTOW, MTOT, SL, ISA) 1317metres, LFL (MLW, SL) 1422m, Initial cruise altitude (from MTOW) 39,000ft, Max Alt 41,000ft, Max cruise speed M0.82, Normal cruise speed M0.78
C110ER, Max pax range 2700NM, MTOW 57,970kgs, MLW 50,349kgs, Payload 13,971kgs, Thrust 23,300lbs, TOFL (MTOW, MTOT, SL, ISA) 1509metres, LFL (MLW, SL) 1422m, Initial cruise altitude (from MTOW) 37,000ft, Max Alt 41,000ft, Max cruise speed M0.82, Normal cruise speed M0.78
C130, Max pax range 1800NM, MTOW 58,650kgs, MLW 54,658kgs, Payload 16,556kgs, Thrust 23,300lbs, TOFL (MTOW, MTOT, SL, ISA) 1594metres, LFL (MLW, SL) 1521m, Initial cruise altitude (from MTOW) 37,000ft, Max Alt 41,000ft, Max cruise speed M0.82, Normal cruise speed M0.78
C110ER, Max pax range 2700NM, MTOW 63,095kgs, MLW 54,658kgs, Payload 16,556kgs, Thrust 23,300lbs, TOFL (MTOW, MTOT, SL, ISA) 1890metres, LFL (MLW, SL) 1521m, Initial cruise altitude (from MTOW) 35,000ft, Max Alt 41,000ft, Max cruise speed M0.82, Normal cruise speed M0.78
Would any of the B717/Bae146/Jungle Jet drivers like to give an opinion on the suitability of these aircraft types to operations into airfields where the B717 is a bit limited. Unfortunately, I don't have any figures for ISA+15 or ISA+20 as this would give a better insight.
Advantages that are being touted for the C series are:-
Composite technology wings/empenage
Aluminium Lithium Pressurised fuselage
Superior field performance and range
Widebody cabin comfort and storage
New advanced technology engines
Advanced flight deck
Claims are that the C series will have 15% lower operating costs than current "New 100+ seat jets" and 17-20% less fuel than current "New 100+ seat jets". Also, large reductions in emissions and noise are promised.
Four models are being developed: C110, C110ER, C130, C130ER (not to be confused with the military trash-hauler). The model numbers relect the seating capacity with one class 32" pitch.
Figures are:
C110, Max pax range 1800NM, MTOW 53,887kgs, MLW 50,349kgs, Payload 13,971kgs, Thrust 23,300lbs, TOFL (MTOW, MTOT, SL, ISA) 1317metres, LFL (MLW, SL) 1422m, Initial cruise altitude (from MTOW) 39,000ft, Max Alt 41,000ft, Max cruise speed M0.82, Normal cruise speed M0.78
C110ER, Max pax range 2700NM, MTOW 57,970kgs, MLW 50,349kgs, Payload 13,971kgs, Thrust 23,300lbs, TOFL (MTOW, MTOT, SL, ISA) 1509metres, LFL (MLW, SL) 1422m, Initial cruise altitude (from MTOW) 37,000ft, Max Alt 41,000ft, Max cruise speed M0.82, Normal cruise speed M0.78
C130, Max pax range 1800NM, MTOW 58,650kgs, MLW 54,658kgs, Payload 16,556kgs, Thrust 23,300lbs, TOFL (MTOW, MTOT, SL, ISA) 1594metres, LFL (MLW, SL) 1521m, Initial cruise altitude (from MTOW) 37,000ft, Max Alt 41,000ft, Max cruise speed M0.82, Normal cruise speed M0.78
C110ER, Max pax range 2700NM, MTOW 63,095kgs, MLW 54,658kgs, Payload 16,556kgs, Thrust 23,300lbs, TOFL (MTOW, MTOT, SL, ISA) 1890metres, LFL (MLW, SL) 1521m, Initial cruise altitude (from MTOW) 35,000ft, Max Alt 41,000ft, Max cruise speed M0.82, Normal cruise speed M0.78
Would any of the B717/Bae146/Jungle Jet drivers like to give an opinion on the suitability of these aircraft types to operations into airfields where the B717 is a bit limited. Unfortunately, I don't have any figures for ISA+15 or ISA+20 as this would give a better insight.
My understanding is that with the new chip/more thrust the 717's now have, they are not limited anywhere at any temp. Cap Bloggs may like to confirm that is the case in WA.
The C Series is an interesting aeroplane and those numbers stack up pretty well, but they haven't even convinced the B board there's a business case for it yet. After all, it was cancelled year before last, now it's back on again...
Of course, unless B gives them away, the savings in DOCs compared to some "old" 717s would be more than offset by the extra cost: a C130 wouldn't be a cheap jet. You may as well just use 737s if you're going to need 130 seats.
Without giving away any trade secrets, the 717 now has as much power as I need!
How much will a CSeries endo cost me? 
After all, it was cancelled year before last, now it's back on again...Of course, unless B gives them away, the savings in DOCs compared to some "old" 717s would be more than offset by the extra cost: a C130 wouldn't be a cheap jet. You may as well just use 737s if you're going to need 130 seats.
Without giving away any trade secrets, the 717 now has as much power as I need!
How much will a CSeries endo cost me?
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Virgin e-jet in Cairns
E-170 parked on the international apron in Cairns today...
pretty flash looking all painted up in the VB red.
Whatever the Qlink bean-counters are planning, they had better hurry up!
pretty flash looking all painted up in the VB red.
Whatever the Qlink bean-counters are planning, they had better hurry up!
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The -1000 looks like a mean beast. 41.6 tonne MTOW with 28,000 lb trust per side. I think the 717 is about 52T and 23,000lb with the uprated engines.
A simplistic comparision I know but it would certainly go off like a sack full of feral cats.
A simplistic comparision I know but it would certainly go off like a sack full of feral cats.