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Visual Landing-your'e probably correct in your assumption that only 10 or 20 have resigned from the AFAP,But people must understand that 50% of the VB pilot group have backed the new union(VIPA) and once this organisation is ratified and the members have union protection...they will resign in droves! Can't blame them really,Wait and see how much money the AFAP waste trying to block the VIPA ratification process!Just another petty use of union funded money fighting to retain membership!
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Correct...once VIPA is up and running and officially registed the AFAP will be in for a shock....lets face facts...they have had there chance on more than one occasion...and still FAILED....
Get your sh%t togther AFAP.....or doom and gloom is on the horizon...
Get your sh%t togther AFAP.....or doom and gloom is on the horizon...
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- Pilots leave/left the AFAP because they were/are afraid of recriminations from their employers for being "union" pilots
- Pilots that left then had negotiate their own Ts and Cs either by themselves or by forming another pilot group
- Pilots then had to compete amongst the pilot groups with their employers for Ts and Cs. (united we stand, divided we fall?)
- Pilots then "white ant" each other and pilot groups to stay employed
- Pilots that left the AFAP weaken their (the AFAP's and therefore their own bargaining power
- Pilots then winge/bitch/bleat/moan because things aren't as good as they used to be.
The AFAP like any representative body is only as strong as it's members. If you want things to improve across the the industry you have to get back on board with a truly representative body. Pilots are the strength of the aviation industry at the coal face they can also be the weakest point if they are divided, between employers or between unions.
If you really want to see the profession of pilot given it's just rewards, across the industry you should get behind your professional pilot representative body. For my money that is the AFAP.
Before you start on me. I am not at present a member of the AFAP, because I an no longer employed as a pilot. I do keep my qualifications current and I have been a branch chairman of the AFAP. If I was employed as a pilot the AFAP would be getting my money.
If you really want to see the profession of pilot given it's just rewards, across the industry you should get behind your professional pilot representative body.
Join the Transport workers union. They are very professional, proactive a large organisation that is keen to support pilots.
Their membership is also reasonable at around $1 a day before tax!
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I think the AFAP are actually improving... there comunication with the pilot group is a good example but the only way it will survive is if they can come to some arangement with the other unions like the TWU and AIPA.... unions fighting with each other for membership will not do anyone any good...
Company formed groups like the J* pilot council and VIPA still need a compantent union for support.
Company formed groups like the J* pilot council and VIPA still need a compantent union for support.
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If you really want to see the profession of pilot given it's just rewards, across the industry you should get behind your professional pilot representative body.
Having spent many $$$$ on them in the last few years, I have come to realise that I am NOT getting value for money!When something is written in BLACK AND WHITE in the award, and the union STILL will not defend it, then the time has come to say enough.
you had your chance guys.....
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FSpike.
"If you really want to see the profession of pilot given
it's just rewards, across the industry you should get
behind your professional pilot representative body. For my
money that is the AFAP."
What a load of cr@p FS. Pull ya head in and get real - the
Feds lost there industrial balls in March 1990 and
whatever respect remained from ANY quarter. Like I said
before if it wasnt for the MBF Idve quit the bloodey Feds
and saved a heap of loot over the ensuing years not paying
dues to a union thats absalutely of no benefit to me (and
many many others) whatsoever.
"If you really want to see the profession of pilot given
it's just rewards, across the industry you should get
behind your professional pilot representative body. For my
money that is the AFAP."
What a load of cr@p FS. Pull ya head in and get real - the
Feds lost there industrial balls in March 1990 and
whatever respect remained from ANY quarter. Like I said
before if it wasnt for the MBF Idve quit the bloodey Feds
and saved a heap of loot over the ensuing years not paying
dues to a union thats absalutely of no benefit to me (and
many many others) whatsoever.
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Slasher,
Hope you saved some of that "loot" because you could do with some English lessons. You'll need that especially when you are defending yourself somewhere in some forum where the big guys are out to get you.
For me, rather not be on my own thanks and have never regretted for a second my 37 years in the AFAP.
The shape of the Australian industry right now is the result of a few pilots here and there, especially 18 years back, "making decisions for themselves". Smell the coffee son, history can bite again.
Hope you saved some of that "loot" because you could do with some English lessons. You'll need that especially when you are defending yourself somewhere in some forum where the big guys are out to get you.
For me, rather not be on my own thanks and have never regretted for a second my 37 years in the AFAP.
The shape of the Australian industry right now is the result of a few pilots here and there, especially 18 years back, "making decisions for themselves". Smell the coffee son, history can bite again.
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Ah Slasher, Aren't you the complicated one. You lose money on your dues but you gain on the MBF. You hate the Federation but you are still a member. I am not surprised you are not happy with the AFAP, any union would be hard pressed to represent you with your consistency. Still, looks like you did the best thing by the Australian aviation industry, .. YOU LEFT!
Interesting...
I've been thinking for a while about whether to join a union and who exactly to join with.
The problem I have with the TWU is that they are too political.
I am happy to give my money to an organisation that is going to go in to bat for me and my fellow pilot's, but I'm not at all happy for my money to be used as a donation to the Labor Party.
The problem with the AFAP seems to be that they don't actually do anything!
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I've been thinking for a while about whether to join a union and who exactly to join with.
The problem I have with the TWU is that they are too political.
I am happy to give my money to an organisation that is going to go in to bat for me and my fellow pilot's, but I'm not at all happy for my money to be used as a donation to the Labor Party.
The problem with the AFAP seems to be that they don't actually do anything!
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Sherm and Spike lets get 1 thing clear - Im a NON-returnee
and backed the Feds to the hilt in the trenches during the
war, and been OS since 1990. So I think Im in a position to
state an open opinion. Its what the AFAP has done (or rather
HASNT done) for both its old and new members since March
1990 is my contension.
If your true-blue Feds then you dont need me to spell these out.
and backed the Feds to the hilt in the trenches during the
war, and been OS since 1990. So I think Im in a position to
state an open opinion. Its what the AFAP has done (or rather
HASNT done) for both its old and new members since March
1990 is my contension.
If your true-blue Feds then you dont need me to spell these out.
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Slasher's War
Slasher, Nobody has accused you of being a "returnee" but I am a little concerned over your language. I was involved in "the dispute" but I have never described it as "the war" or my part as being "in the trenches". In fact being ex-Army, I think it would be demeaning to those who have served in armed conflict to compare an industrial dispute to the hardships many of them have and still do suffer. Take off the cams and put down your gun. Many that did serve over there have gotten over the real thing, about time you got over your "war"
