Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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The Point
With wages you have choices...no time at home lots of bucks and higher tax.
Less bucks higher hours more time at home or something in the middle.
All this about the average being 90k is tosh.
No one wants a pay cut.
These negotiations are all about maintaining our current Tand Cs for the next 5 years.
Those that are proud of doing more for less are in need of help.
No sane person negotiates down.
The A380
The bid system
The slip formula
Wages
Ultra long range flying and the associated conditions
These are the core issues.
All this tooing and froing is just white noise.
Focus on what is urgent and then focus on what is important later.
I am sure there are those that will not understand the distinction
Less bucks higher hours more time at home or something in the middle.
All this about the average being 90k is tosh.
No one wants a pay cut.
These negotiations are all about maintaining our current Tand Cs for the next 5 years.
Those that are proud of doing more for less are in need of help.
No sane person negotiates down.
The A380
The bid system
The slip formula
Wages
Ultra long range flying and the associated conditions
These are the core issues.
All this tooing and froing is just white noise.
Focus on what is urgent and then focus on what is important later.
I am sure there are those that will not understand the distinction
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DEFCON4 your right there are core issue which we have to keep focused on.There are people who will try and sidetrack us or attract the public's attention to some massive figures we are supposed to make.Does anyone know of crew that would want to publish such ridiculous figures?Only the company would want to print pay packets with OT and allowances built in.
The bottom line is that our pay should not be looked at with OT and allowances.It does not matter if we do one LAX or 20 ,our basic pay is what we should focus on.What happens if we are sick or stuck on StandBy's?90K my backside,what a load of rubbish.
After a bit of research I found this.
I won't bother telling you who made that post but when it suits her she posts these ridiculous amounts with everything added in and with an inflated imaginary amount to boot.Now why would a real crew member want to do something like that in a public forum.
The bottom line is that our pay should not be looked at with OT and allowances.It does not matter if we do one LAX or 20 ,our basic pay is what we should focus on.What happens if we are sick or stuck on StandBy's?90K my backside,what a load of rubbish.
After a bit of research I found this.
The correct term is REMUNERATION and I don't consider meal allowances as such.
Those that do are part of the problem.
Those that do are part of the problem.
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Confirms What?
Get with the programme numbnuts.
93k is what is POSSIBLE not probable.
The average is achieved by multiplying the total wages bill for one calender year and dividing by the total number of crew employed and working in the same calender year.
The average you petulant pratt would be somewhere sround 65K
If you know what a bell curve is you will understand that there will be those that earn less and those that earn more.These numbers diminish on either side as you move away from the average.
To further explain there may be 100 CC who earn 30k or there may be 100 who earn above 90k.
The other 2800 earn something in between with most earning 65k including allowances and around 15% less without allowances.
This only confirms that you have no understanding of what is important but rather labour over petty nonsense
93k is what is POSSIBLE not probable.
The average is achieved by multiplying the total wages bill for one calender year and dividing by the total number of crew employed and working in the same calender year.
The average you petulant pratt would be somewhere sround 65K
If you know what a bell curve is you will understand that there will be those that earn less and those that earn more.These numbers diminish on either side as you move away from the average.
To further explain there may be 100 CC who earn 30k or there may be 100 who earn above 90k.
The other 2800 earn something in between with most earning 65k including allowances and around 15% less without allowances.
This only confirms that you have no understanding of what is important but rather labour over petty nonsense
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Once again surfside, I DID NOT SAY 90K WAS AVERAGE, I said it was top end, ie what some people earn doing certain trips.
Thanks for quoting me correctly this time T BAR, like I said, I don't like it, but that's the way everone talks, so if you can't beat em...
Thanks for quoting me correctly this time T BAR, like I said, I don't like it, but that's the way everone talks, so if you can't beat em...
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Give it a rest girl you can only changes horses mid stream so many times.You have shown your true colours and they are not the same as ours.
The only aim here is to broadcast these inflated figures for the general public to see and it is not a coincidence that our EBA is currently being negotiated.
What did someone say about the similarity of someone's credibility to that of a rugby league scrum!
The only aim here is to broadcast these inflated figures for the general public to see and it is not a coincidence that our EBA is currently being negotiated.
What did someone say about the similarity of someone's credibility to that of a rugby league scrum!
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stop it now,
children as your behaviour belongs in the kindergarden. we all know there are various pays out there, depending on your flying (senority & choice). thats it.
get on with it
get on with it
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The Twiggs Bird
The "Twiggs Bird" is an endangered species that flies in circles of ever decreasing radius until it eventually disappears into its own rectum in a cloud of purple smoke.
How many more revolutions has this one got to go?
The "Gigs Bird" is also known as the Winky Wanky Bird.
It has a thin membrane of skin that runs from its left eyelid to its foreskin.
So that every time it winks it wanks and evertime it wanks its winks.
Probably explains the poor sentence construction and the nonsense it spews forth.
How many more revolutions has this one got to go?
The "Gigs Bird" is also known as the Winky Wanky Bird.
It has a thin membrane of skin that runs from its left eyelid to its foreskin.
So that every time it winks it wanks and evertime it wanks its winks.
Probably explains the poor sentence construction and the nonsense it spews forth.
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kids still dont get it do yah! good luck with your eba if mam crews your flights dont try to say i did not warn you all.....including miss shawanka's last post......you all have been told a basic indication of projected cost savings of having cheaper crews crew traditioal l/h flying including foremost the 380.......you have been prewarned re scabs....all this is only to ask that to assist this not happening is to lobby that s/h can join l/haul inion to help us help you......fxxxxxk you guys dont need geoff to fxxxk you over your all doing a great job on your own...... if a f/a earns 50k a year pls slip money the slip money is tax free,id have to earn the equal of 75k to make up my s/h pay in the real world and im paid less than you for more productivity.....no i voted no to reginal....again good luck.....why you guys attack is beyond me maybe strike breakers is all fun n games for you all????????????? gigs an faaa member s/haul f/a who does attend meetings and hates typing , spell check n idiots.
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Give It Up Gigs
You add nothing to this thread.
No facts.You state the obvious.You are confused.
This is a L Haul Negotiation.
You are Shorthaul
You have already been done over
No wonder!
A goose on the loose.
Take your own advice
No facts.You state the obvious.You are confused.
This is a L Haul Negotiation.
You are Shorthaul
You have already been done over
No wonder!
A goose on the loose.
Take your own advice
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gigs i am embarrassed that a shorthaul fa responds in this forum the way you have. As a s/h fa i give respect to my l/h work mates and let them work out their own EBA.Where do you get off telling them what to do? And at a guess i would say you are not senior and have no background to support many of your posts that i have read on here.No matter whether you are l/h ,s/h ,mam ,which base everyone has their own agenda and you need to respect that.................then you can expect respect back in return
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Spinning her web
82% want to keep the bid system.
This is just what the Tarantula wants to hear.
Because it fits in with their Management philosophy :
GIVE THEM THE EXACT OPPOSITE TO WHAT THEY WANT!!!!.
Roll on the ALLOCATED BID SYSTEM aka the UK base system ( and what we had prior to '88)
Doh !
This is just what the Tarantula wants to hear.
Because it fits in with their Management philosophy :
GIVE THEM THE EXACT OPPOSITE TO WHAT THEY WANT!!!!.
Roll on the ALLOCATED BID SYSTEM aka the UK base system ( and what we had prior to '88)
Doh !
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and what we had prior to '88
Is it true that the crew on the LHR base have to be contactable 24 hours a day on days off ?
I don't mean that they have to work but that the company has to be able to communicate 24/7 with crew on days off.
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Stubby...Not only the 75% stand down but the slip both ways in Bahrain and the 'OLD' slip in LHR with 3 days and 2 nights and then finally 2 days in Sin.
BBQ's on Sentosa Island and an exchange rate of between 2.5 and 3 to 1 in Sing
Remember change alley?
I had almost forget the porter at the Ramada in Bahrain...'Bandit' and the sunshine breakfast 24 hours a day at the Gulf.
As you said the GOD's...
BBQ's on Sentosa Island and an exchange rate of between 2.5 and 3 to 1 in Sing
Remember change alley?
I had almost forget the porter at the Ramada in Bahrain...'Bandit' and the sunshine breakfast 24 hours a day at the Gulf.
As you said the GOD's...
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Bahrain Ramada Pool Boy
I have lived under a misconception for years...I thought he was Thai and his name was "Pandit".
Just goes to show you are never too old to learn.
Good Luck with the EBA boys and girls.....I think you are going to need it.
Just goes to show you are never too old to learn.
Good Luck with the EBA boys and girls.....I think you are going to need it.
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captainrats....
I knew he wasn't a local and maybe his name was Pandit but I called him Bandit ( I thought it was a nick name for some nefarious reason) but you've got me thinking now..Anyone else know his name?
I knew he wasn't a local and maybe his name was Pandit but I called him Bandit ( I thought it was a nick name for some nefarious reason) but you've got me thinking now..Anyone else know his name?