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Old 8th Aug 2007, 10:58
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Tiger - Greenfield - ?

Word on the Tarmac is that Tiger have signed up to a greenfield, anyone know who with ? ? ?
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is a greenfield?
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A loose interpretation as I'm no legal eagle

A Greenfield Agreement, between two parties, usually one union one company exclusive of all other parties not contained within the agreement.

Check google
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Old 9th Aug 2007, 02:59
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I thought a ""Greenfield"" was where they will land if they offer fares way too cheap and can't pay enough for good pilots and engineering!!!!!!
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I thought it was an undeveloped site, Miriam webster online agrees

"land (as a potential industrial site) not previously developed or polluted"

I thought this meant that they will be opening their own airport???
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Yeah, I was thinking along similiar lines. I thought it may have been a paddock that received a good rainfall.
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Greenfields = type of workplace agreement under the Workplace Relations Act 1996, as amended 2005.

A greenfield is put into place before any workers are hired.

Part 8 Division 2 of the WR Act allows for two types of greenfields agreements, Union Greenfield Agreements (s.329) and a new animal, Employer Greenfield Agreements (s.330).

There are plenty of examples of union greenfield agreements; this is a good explanation of how they work...

"Where a new business or project is established, there is often a benefit for employers to enter directly into a greenfield agreement under the Federal Workplace Relations Act 1996 with one or more unions. A key advantage is that a greenfield agreement does not require the approval of any employees whose employment would be subject to the agreement. Another key benefit is that a greenfield agreement provides an employer with the opportunity to shut out less desirable unions as parties to and therefore effectively having a presence at the new business before the employment of any employees."

It would be interesting to know if Tiger is introducing a Union greenfield or an Employer greenfield.

One wonders if an Employer greenfield is simply a contract drawn up by the employer, like most AWA, and then offered to new employees on a take-it-or-leave-it basis.
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Old 9th Aug 2007, 19:46
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Ah, I think you guys are talking "Greenfields Agreement"
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In relation to engineering, I believe JHAS has the contract.
http://www.jhas.com.au/Documents.asp...ation+Services
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I'm not sure what would you like to know, can you give me a bit more to work with?

Given we have an agreement in place we cannot put a Greenfield agreement in place, that can only occur in a location where there are no employees in place which is clearly not our current situation.
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Old 9th Aug 2007, 23:16
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Or maybe you're thinking of this

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-23349,00.html
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Given we have an agreement in place we cannot put a Greenfield agreement in place, that can only occur in a location where there are no employees in place which is clearly not our current situation.
Not anymore.

"The Full Bench of the Australian Industrial Relations Commission has opened the way for entering into greenfield agreements for new projects. In Brunel Technical Services Offshore Pty Ltd Bayu-Darwin Pipeline Agreement 2004 (PR950406), the Full Bench held that it is sufficient that a new business constitutes a new project even though the nature of the project involves the same line of employer’s business.

"In this case, Brunel Technical Services and Minesite Catering entered into separate greenfield agreements with a number of unions to apply to the construction of the Bayu-Darwin gas pipeline which will deliver gas from the gasfields near East Timor. The AWU appealed the decision of the Commission to approve the greenfield agreements on the basis that the projects did not constitute new businesses for Brunel or Minesite.

"Critical to the Full Bench’s decision was that the definition of “single business” extended to “a business, project or undertaking that is carried on by an employer”. The Commission found that even if the agreement applied to a kind of business in respect of which the employer was already involved, it could still be a new business where the employer was involved in a new “project”.


There might be existing engineering employees at JHAS, but the Tiger contract could be labelled a new project and a greenfields agreement, union or employer, could be put in place.

Then the fun begins when you guys find out if it is worth transferring to the new project -- with a new employment contract!!
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There might be existing engineering employees at JHAS, but the Tiger contract could be labelled a new project and a greenfields agreement, union or employer, could be put in place.

Then the fun begins when you guys find out if it is worth transferring to the new project -- with a new employment contract!!
No plans for this that I am aware of. We intend to use our existing workforce and incoming employees under our current collective agreement.
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Cheers guys and Romulus,
Good to know the collective agreement is getting a run.

By the by what A330 work is coming JHAS's way, I know some recently retirees that may be interested ?
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Cheers guys and Romulus,
Good to know the collective agreement is getting a run.

By the by what A330 work is coming JHAS's way, I know some recently retirees that may be interested ?
Trying to figure out if there's enough of a fleet in Aus to make it worthwhile. MRTT certainly helps but QDS have that sewn up. JQ have a few but probbaly not enough to be worth making a pitch for.

As always, open to suggestions as to what I am missing.
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any apprenticeships on offer?

...AME Apprenticeships are not for individuals that have no intention of pursuing Aircraft Maintenance as a career, James.

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We're working through our RTO application as fast as we can. Once we have that then we can get our apprenticeship scheme up and running.

And YES James, please apply. Kanga is 100% right that it would have been a bit, ok a LOT, wiser for you NOT to admit you really want to do it for a while to become a pilot but let's face it, we were all young and a bit green and needed a break to get over our idealism getting in the way of the "real" world at some point in our lives so if you don't tell the interview panel I won't.

Plus I know that at least 80% of applicants will try and bullsh*t me anyway so I may as well know I have at least one bloke going for it who really, really just likes planes. Maybe you'll make pilot in 2 years (and I'll wish you the best of luck), maybe you'll mke it in 10, maybe you'll just love doing the real work on planes and stick with us for life. Who knows?

Besides, pilots don't fly planes any more, they just have to deal with issues when engineering cock up (which isn't THAT often) and the computers stop working.

Or so the guys tell me!

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Thumbs down

We're working through our RTO application as fast as we can.
What happens if you don't get it sorted in time, no flights?

Or you do the flights but there's no aborting on the runway if the poop splatters of the N1 fan...????? Which one?



So you have to apply in writing to carry out an abort these days????
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Old 17th Sep 2007, 20:09
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Originally Posted by scottydoo
What happens if you don't get it sorted in time, no flights?

Or you do the flights but there's no aborting on the runway if the poop splatters of the N1 fan...????? Which one?

So you have to apply in writing to carry out an abort these days????
Whoops, RTO in this case being Registered Training Organisation, which is the required govt certification to train people in certain courses inc full apprenticeships I believe.
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