Jetstar Engine Failure?!?!?!

[Mstr Caution]

Dual engine failure on a modern day twin, the only incidence I can think of is fuel starvation.

Or perhaps a multiple engine failure as a result of flying on a route with an active volcano.

What's the chance of that though.

[Going Boeing]

Mstr Caution

Or perhaps a multiple engine failure as a result of flying on a route with an active volcano.

What's the chance of that though.

The way that Jetstar Intl ignore restrictions on air routes that are being affected by volcanic activity, then the chances are higher than an airline that acts more responsibly.

[Agony]

GB,

There is only one airline that self restricts itself on the route you are talking about. Have seen many others use the same route, which is no longer restricted.

[Condition lever]

GB,

Which ICAO route restriction is that?????

[Going Boeing]

CL

Can't remember the route number but it was the main route used on SYD-HKG & MEL-HKG routes between waypoints Molly, Bonda & Ambon just to the east of Sulawesi. I believe that it was a QF (not ICAO) restriction on its own operations as a result of a risk assessment.

Agony

I find it bizarre that as the parent airline has assessed the route to be unsafe for night operations but the subsdiary airline is allowed to still use the route. That would indicate less emphasis on safety at the subsidiary - volcanic ash encounters are very dangerous. Other airlines that have I have heard using the route at night aren't known for putting safety ahead of burning 500kgs more fuel.

[VH-JJW]

GB,

I believe the route is A216 and the volcano concerned is Manam.

Jetstar conducts its own assement on this route in real time, not a blanket avoidance. If the risk is increased, say orange, then Jetstar Aircraft will be re-planned.

As mentioned previously there are a number of airlines which adopt a similar appraoch to this route.

I urge you to think a little outside the QF square (no offence intended).

[Condition lever]

My point being there is no ICAO route restriction.
JJW - well put.
The post on qrewroom (probably by GB) was quite interesting to show that the Sky God mentality is alive and well at QF.

[Going Boeing]

CL, I happy that Qantas doesn't rely on ICAO to do the risk assessment on route suitability. ICAO has too much on its plate to handle day to day operations issues. surely, you would prefer to operate in the safest manner possible and not just hope that there has been no volcanic activity on the air route that you are about to fly at night.

Your fishing is unsuccessful as it wasn't me who posted this issue on Qrewroom.

[Jet Jockey]

Wankers

The Big Q can fly miles off track all year round. For those ignorant folk to have a dig a J* is laughable. The routes are monitored 24/7. Yes they are active and puff smoke which is closely monitored by satelite pic plus infrared plus visual reports. Anything of substance and J* aircraft are re-routed.
To be flying off route all year round sounds a little over the top.

[blueloo]

Jet Jockey - I think there is a dedicated volcanic advisory centre where QF get their info from - it provides up to date route restrictions via ACARS/Notam etc.

There are good reasons for it. Others have learnt the hard way. It seems foolish to ignore those leasons.

[Going Boeing]

JJ, a visual report at night may be too late.

The decision to fly 2NM right of track through Indonesian Airspace was because of an unacceptable number of separation breakdowns. I have personally experienced two NMACs (no TCAS on both occasions & one was very close head-on) and I don't ever want to have another one. For you to knock that off track procedure indicates that you are not focused on safety - more a "she'll be right, mate" attitude.

[blow.n.gasket]

Yeee Haaaa little doggy,
GA in Jets here we come!!!

[Mstr Caution]

Jet Jockey - Anything of substance and J* aircraft are re-routed.

It's the degree of substance which is open to interpretation, relating to degree of risk & in return profit levels.