Jetstar Engine Failure?!?!?!
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Jetstar Engine Failure?!?!?!
Anybody know anything about the Jetstar Flight that had an Engine Failure, and emergency landing in Asia....... as posted on MSN News...... probably Jetstar Asia?????
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From SMH
http://www.smh.com.au/news/travel/je...042982638.html
A Jetstar plane has been forced to make an emergency landing at Bali's Denpasar airport after the captain shut down one engine as a precautionary measure.
Flight JQ30 from Bangkok to Melbourne was due to land at Tullamarine at 9am.
The pilot re-routed the plane to Denpasar airport after shutting down one of the two engines on the three-week old Airbus 330-200.
The plane landed at about 6.45am and all 302 passengers and 12 crew were still on board as of 8.30am.
Jetstar management were working with Denpasar airport officials to allow the passengers and crew to alight from the aircraft.
"Our captain did shut down the left-hand engine, number one, as a precautionary measure," said Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway.
"The aircraft has the capability of flying with one engine. It has a very experienced captain and crew on board. There was a fault found and he followed process to the letter and went to the nearest international airport."
Mr Westaway said the flight was at capacity, with 302 passengers, including three infants, on board.
"We're seeking to get the bottom of it. We're working through passenger recovery and aircraft recovery. The aircraft landed without incident."
Mr Westaway said the plane was three weeks' old and had just come off the production line at Toulouse in France.
"We have the youngest fleet in the country," he said.
He said that the passengers and crew would have to be moved into a customs area and onto another flight back to Australia.
"The aircraft isn't going to be moving in the short term," he said.
A passenger known only as Basil said the incident was handled well.
"My daughter actually got up to go to the toilet and about the same time the plane started to descend," he told Southern Cross Radio from the plane on the tarmac at Denpasar.
"There was no noise or anything. The pilot said that (we'd do an) emergency landing and all should go okay and it did."
He said fire engines and ambulances were on standby as the plane landed.
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/travel/je...042982638.html
A Jetstar plane has been forced to make an emergency landing at Bali's Denpasar airport after the captain shut down one engine as a precautionary measure.
Flight JQ30 from Bangkok to Melbourne was due to land at Tullamarine at 9am.
The pilot re-routed the plane to Denpasar airport after shutting down one of the two engines on the three-week old Airbus 330-200.
The plane landed at about 6.45am and all 302 passengers and 12 crew were still on board as of 8.30am.
Jetstar management were working with Denpasar airport officials to allow the passengers and crew to alight from the aircraft.
"Our captain did shut down the left-hand engine, number one, as a precautionary measure," said Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway.
"The aircraft has the capability of flying with one engine. It has a very experienced captain and crew on board. There was a fault found and he followed process to the letter and went to the nearest international airport."
Mr Westaway said the flight was at capacity, with 302 passengers, including three infants, on board.
"We're seeking to get the bottom of it. We're working through passenger recovery and aircraft recovery. The aircraft landed without incident."
Mr Westaway said the plane was three weeks' old and had just come off the production line at Toulouse in France.
"We have the youngest fleet in the country," he said.
He said that the passengers and crew would have to be moved into a customs area and onto another flight back to Australia.
"The aircraft isn't going to be moving in the short term," he said.
A passenger known only as Basil said the incident was handled well.
"My daughter actually got up to go to the toilet and about the same time the plane started to descend," he told Southern Cross Radio from the plane on the tarmac at Denpasar.
"There was no noise or anything. The pilot said that (we'd do an) emergency landing and all should go okay and it did."
He said fire engines and ambulances were on standby as the plane landed.
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Tailie,
To be fair, the journo did not describe Basil as an 'aviation expert'. I would have thought that the spin doctor at Jestar would have been quite pleased with Basil's reported comments, especially as he was said to be a paying punter. Was Basil an airline employee?
On another theme, what is it about Jetstar and the A330? Surely Qantas Mainline didn't experience the same problems as Jetstar or were Jeststar given a fleet of lemons? As for a small fleet, comments elesewhere have highlighted the fact that Australian initially had a fleet of 4, then 5 B767's and they did not have the major difficulties that are apparent at Jetstar. The Australian fleet was also much more aged than the 'new' Jetstar fleet. So, what gives?
To be fair, the journo did not describe Basil as an 'aviation expert'. I would have thought that the spin doctor at Jestar would have been quite pleased with Basil's reported comments, especially as he was said to be a paying punter. Was Basil an airline employee?
On another theme, what is it about Jetstar and the A330? Surely Qantas Mainline didn't experience the same problems as Jetstar or were Jeststar given a fleet of lemons? As for a small fleet, comments elesewhere have highlighted the fact that Australian initially had a fleet of 4, then 5 B767's and they did not have the major difficulties that are apparent at Jetstar. The Australian fleet was also much more aged than the 'new' Jetstar fleet. So, what gives?
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A Melbourne filmmaker stranded in Bali by the Jetstar plane's emergency landing said passengers knew from the beginning of the flight that the plane had mechanical problems.
Jonathan Messer, 33, was allowed to disembark two hours after landing at Denpasar airport with hundreds of other passengers on the flight.
Mr Messer said the plane, which had been scheduled to fly from Bangkok to Melbourne, had been 90 minutes late leaving the Thai capital.
"Before we took off the captain explained we had an inoperative auxiliary power unit and that the left engine was compensating for this, running the power of the plane," Messer told The Age. The captain told the passengers a different protocol was being used.
Somewhere is a village sadly in need of its missing idiot.
Jonathan Messer, 33, was allowed to disembark two hours after landing at Denpasar airport with hundreds of other passengers on the flight.
Mr Messer said the plane, which had been scheduled to fly from Bangkok to Melbourne, had been 90 minutes late leaving the Thai capital.
"Before we took off the captain explained we had an inoperative auxiliary power unit and that the left engine was compensating for this, running the power of the plane," Messer told The Age. The captain told the passengers a different protocol was being used.
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The APU had a massive internal failure, early on Sunday morning..........
Looks like its a bit of a dud. Must have been built on a Friday afternoon, prior to a long weekend
Cheers!
Looks like its a bit of a dud. Must have been built on a Friday afternoon, prior to a long weekend
Cheers!
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Sounds like it went smoothly. Good news. At least the press did not over dramatise it too much. They made it sound safe and routine. While many say it's just part of the job, as a passenger I think a nice landing after losing 50% of your horse power still deserves a good pat on the back for the guys in the front office. (Now for the B-52 drivers who frequently land with a one cigar not lit... well still an "emergency" but you guys have a bit more to play with!)
When the EK 773 had an uncontained failure departing MEL a few years ago some of the passengers gave some exciting testimony. Amazing how many aeronautical experts wear board shorts and flip-flops. (In fairness, I would have been scared if I saw a 737-width engine shred itself outside my window too).
In terms of QF history with 330 issues I think they have been good except the usual teething problems, especially for a carrier getting used to changes from a traditional flight deck (yoke, etc.) and Boeing systems.
A couple guys who fly Airbuses for JetStar told me they still say "oh $#*$, what's it doing now?!?" a lot, referring to the Airbus super computer flight manager, but they like the airplanes. Would image that just takes some getting used to.
Not a big deal, but Qantas did have a problem with an A330 that was brand new (think it was one of the first -300s) on a flight from MEL or SYD to PER. Had odour of fuel vapours in the cabin and made an emergency landing in Adelaide. I think that was all fine too. Not aware of any shutdowns on the 330.
JetStar had a 717 with an engine failure (believe it was contained) towards the top of the climb out of Tasmania. Big bang and a drop. Crew continued to Melbourne or Avalon (short flight and in a straight line) rather than return to Tasi because the airport at Launceston's fire rescue service had gone home for the evening. Good call for the crew... although the Tasmanian Fire Brigade Commander at Launceston was pretty mad... he said (on the radio interviewed next day) he would have called all the people at home and gotten them back... he felt a bit snubbed!
When the EK 773 had an uncontained failure departing MEL a few years ago some of the passengers gave some exciting testimony. Amazing how many aeronautical experts wear board shorts and flip-flops. (In fairness, I would have been scared if I saw a 737-width engine shred itself outside my window too).
In terms of QF history with 330 issues I think they have been good except the usual teething problems, especially for a carrier getting used to changes from a traditional flight deck (yoke, etc.) and Boeing systems.
A couple guys who fly Airbuses for JetStar told me they still say "oh $#*$, what's it doing now?!?" a lot, referring to the Airbus super computer flight manager, but they like the airplanes. Would image that just takes some getting used to.
Not a big deal, but Qantas did have a problem with an A330 that was brand new (think it was one of the first -300s) on a flight from MEL or SYD to PER. Had odour of fuel vapours in the cabin and made an emergency landing in Adelaide. I think that was all fine too. Not aware of any shutdowns on the 330.
JetStar had a 717 with an engine failure (believe it was contained) towards the top of the climb out of Tasmania. Big bang and a drop. Crew continued to Melbourne or Avalon (short flight and in a straight line) rather than return to Tasi because the airport at Launceston's fire rescue service had gone home for the evening. Good call for the crew... although the Tasmanian Fire Brigade Commander at Launceston was pretty mad... he said (on the radio interviewed next day) he would have called all the people at home and gotten them back... he felt a bit snubbed!
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Non-ETOPS and without the APU, I guess they'd be down to single generator (or does A330-200 have an HMG?). Doubt it.
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Whether the FDR and CVR would be powered by the Ram Air Turbine after the loss of both engines on the 330?
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The answer is that "the digital flight data recorder (DFDR) is powered by AC BUS 1 in the A330-200. Hence without engine driven generators or the APU it is inoperative"
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It thus would appear (as with the SwissAir 111 crash) that, as with the Air Transat airbus, there can be no data available about the extraordinary last phases of flight for any Jetstar A330-200 dead-stick landings (at Bali or elsewhere).
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Whether the FDR and CVR would be powered by the Ram Air Turbine after the loss of both engines on the 330?
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The answer is that "the digital flight data recorder (DFDR) is powered by AC BUS 1 in the A330-200. Hence without engine driven generators or the APU it is inoperative"
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It thus would appear (as with the SwissAir 111 crash) that, as with the Air Transat airbus, there can be no data available about the extraordinary last phases of flight for any Jetstar A330-200 dead-stick landings (at Bali or elsewhere).
It will be interesting if CASA has another look at Jetstar's ETOPS approval. The original approval was given without any operational experience and with the aircraft being flown by pilots sourced from overseas operators. The only common factor that they could claim was QF engineering support.
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Sorry to disappoint you boeing types - but the apu being inop has no operational consequance to etops on a 330. This is due to the emergency gen system, a very large static inverter and 2 main batteries.
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Posted by neville_nobody
Reported on the AGE website (My Bolding):
2-1 odds on that Jetstar will before the close of business today put out a press release with the phrase "Qantas Group" or "Qantas Engineering" on it.
Mr Westaway said that the plane landed at Denpasar because it was the closest international airport when the problem was discovered. "Darwin was next," he said. "Qantas has very good coverage in Bali - Qantas and ourselves fly there regularly. We have Qantas engineering staff on the ground."
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How fortunate that these bastards can 'trade' on the good name of Qantas? Their spinning is enough to make one want to puke so here goes 
I wonder how they'd be travelling without the Qantas expertise and support?
I wonder how they'd be travelling without the Qantas expertise and support?
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Network Ten news should teach their journalists the basics ; report the facts.
The engine shut itself down, apparently.
<cue footage of a B717 while talking about the Airbus production line>
On a lighter note, even funnier was on the Channel 9 1630 news was a story about the health benefits of male circumcision, <roll interview with expert, Doctor Brian Cock> ....
The engine shut itself down, apparently.
<cue footage of a B717 while talking about the Airbus production line>
On a lighter note, even funnier was on the Channel 9 1630 news was a story about the health benefits of male circumcision, <roll interview with expert, Doctor Brian Cock> ....
