500 S/O's!!!!!!!!!
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500 S/O's!!!!!!!!!
A snippet of info from the Q flight Operations weekly newsletter. The newsletter was left at a gate lounge at T2!!!!
CP Quote from Ondeck;
"Training opportunities expected over the next three years are forecast to be 350 Command and 580 First Officer courses in addition to the recruitment of approximately 500 Second Officers. Given the growth of aircraft, anticipated retirements and subsequent training ripple. This will be an exciting time for promotional opportunities for Qantas Flight Crew".
I wonder if this includes the jet* training numbers as well????????
If it does not, forget jet* and VBLue. Id rather keep my +30K.
Let the games begin...........
CP Quote from Ondeck;
"Training opportunities expected over the next three years are forecast to be 350 Command and 580 First Officer courses in addition to the recruitment of approximately 500 Second Officers. Given the growth of aircraft, anticipated retirements and subsequent training ripple. This will be an exciting time for promotional opportunities for Qantas Flight Crew".
I wonder if this includes the jet* training numbers as well????????
If it does not, forget jet* and VBLue. Id rather keep my +30K.
Let the games begin...........
Same Old Same Old
Heard it all before with this mob, could not find their @ss with both hands behind their backs.
This is purported to be QF numbers but is simply propaganda from CM's office trying to stem the tide of resignations and negativity we have with flight ops and contempt for the board.
Given any option the board will continue to sleep with that little new girl next door called J* and ignore it's obligations at home. Not until the pilot body grows some balls and makes a stand will they garner any respect.
Is it just a coincidence that the cruddy short haul EBA is up for a vote when they come out with this carrot - I think not.
Those few hopefuls - good luck but don't get too excited.
Those voting on the EBA - get a backbone and vote NO!
This is purported to be QF numbers but is simply propaganda from CM's office trying to stem the tide of resignations and negativity we have with flight ops and contempt for the board.
Given any option the board will continue to sleep with that little new girl next door called J* and ignore it's obligations at home. Not until the pilot body grows some balls and makes a stand will they garner any respect.
Is it just a coincidence that the cruddy short haul EBA is up for a vote when they come out with this carrot - I think not.
Those few hopefuls - good luck but don't get too excited.
Those voting on the EBA - get a backbone and vote NO!
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If it is true then many in SH wont be there for their payrise anyway so my NO vote is already in!!
Mud Skipper,
I think you will find that the "balls" are needed in the Jetstar court, If there are 500 mainline S/O positions where are the Jetstar F/Os coming from?
Good luck to all the new guys!
Mud Skipper,
I think you will find that the "balls" are needed in the Jetstar court, If there are 500 mainline S/O positions where are the Jetstar F/Os coming from?
Good luck to all the new guys!
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Can i ask what people would think of my chances, anyone from Qantas like to respond that would be great. I have the min 500 hours command, but haven't flown for a few years (I bet that is an old story for some of you). Hit the 30's bracket now, do you think getting current, QF are going to need to look at people such as myself due to the high demand for crews or are they just going to go for young cadet types.
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Rosselini, here are the official QF figures to last week.
Flight Crew Departures (1 July 2006 to current day)
Death 1
Medical Terminations 13
Retirements 13
Resignations family/business/other reasons 7
Resignations Jetstar 4 (FO's taking command slots)
Resignations Other airlines 8
Resignations RAAF 2
That last line, whilst small, speaks volumes. That does not include the superannuation retirements happening now (fill in number here, probably around 30). In the retirements-other airlines we have one Captain in his mid 40's going to Emirates.
RAAF guys thinking of leaving now are going to have some serious thinking to do. Going to QF as a SO would probably be ok if you could get in at the head of the queue and be on the Certified Agreement. If you are on an AWA, read the fine print very, very carefully; you may find yourself in a situation that a new joiner to Jetstar may be in, which is...
Anyone thinking of a Jetstar FO/cruise FO slot would need their head read, as they will have to take a 50% pay cut in the case of a cruise FO, or a 35% pay cut for an FO, for the privilege of watching their command slot go to a DEC.
Whilst any GA guy looking at a Jetstar slot would not be taking that pay cut, how willing would they be to trust Jetstar management with their career. These turds, along with the JPC, have already screwed the guys employed already; they will have no compunction about doing it to new joiners.
Unless you are perfectly willing to be "flexible", of course.
Flight Crew Departures (1 July 2006 to current day)
Death 1
Medical Terminations 13
Retirements 13
Resignations family/business/other reasons 7
Resignations Jetstar 4 (FO's taking command slots)
Resignations Other airlines 8
Resignations RAAF 2
That last line, whilst small, speaks volumes. That does not include the superannuation retirements happening now (fill in number here, probably around 30). In the retirements-other airlines we have one Captain in his mid 40's going to Emirates.
RAAF guys thinking of leaving now are going to have some serious thinking to do. Going to QF as a SO would probably be ok if you could get in at the head of the queue and be on the Certified Agreement. If you are on an AWA, read the fine print very, very carefully; you may find yourself in a situation that a new joiner to Jetstar may be in, which is...
Anyone thinking of a Jetstar FO/cruise FO slot would need their head read, as they will have to take a 50% pay cut in the case of a cruise FO, or a 35% pay cut for an FO, for the privilege of watching their command slot go to a DEC.
Whilst any GA guy looking at a Jetstar slot would not be taking that pay cut, how willing would they be to trust Jetstar management with their career. These turds, along with the JPC, have already screwed the guys employed already; they will have no compunction about doing it to new joiners.
Unless you are perfectly willing to be "flexible", of course.
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I agree with Capt. Those of us who have watched this disgusting group know that the are lying when their mouthes are open...
We have seen this all before, the only thing that will ensure the recruitment begins is the age demographic of our flight crew....
Having done my yards in GA, I can attest to the desire to get out of it ASAP.
For me I would rather a company like Rex than pitching my lot with J*. They have as little regard for employees as do QF. They are the same breed of aggressive little men.
We have seen this all before, the only thing that will ensure the recruitment begins is the age demographic of our flight crew....
Having done my yards in GA, I can attest to the desire to get out of it ASAP.
For me I would rather a company like Rex than pitching my lot with J*. They have as little regard for employees as do QF. They are the same breed of aggressive little men.
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Well, the fact that they are talking about planned promotion at the same time acknowledging people leaving speaks volumes.
QF are worried about people leaving, why else would the cp stop managers issuing references?
Actions speak louder than words.
QF are worried about people leaving, why else would the cp stop managers issuing references?
Actions speak louder than words.
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I believe there are about 35 give or take a few on LWOP. Many of these were people who handed in resignations and were then offered LWOP. Many if not all are working for other airlines.
As for the promotional figures, exactly the same was released over 12 months ago. What has happened in the last 12 months? Nothing.
They will need quite a few at the present rate, but believing anything that comes out of management in this group is very much dancing with danger.
As for the promotional figures, exactly the same was released over 12 months ago. What has happened in the last 12 months? Nothing.
They will need quite a few at the present rate, but believing anything that comes out of management in this group is very much dancing with danger.
Anybody know about an alledged CP forum of airline operators (Qantas, VB, Rex etc) that was meant to have occured a few weeks ago? Alledgedly rumour from the cleaning staffs best friends mum (an ever valuable source of info) the airlines have recognised a shortage of pilots, upto 1800 over the next few years to fill popsitions. Qantas needs 350 pilots over next twelve months and from their current files think there are 250 employable pilots left in the whole of Australia which they will take. This has pissed off most other ailrines as this means they may have a shortfall of appropriate pilots to pick from, especially those willing to pay for jobs if Q hoover them up for free. Sounds like guys should start updating resumes soon with all airlines.
Within Qantas the MOU for transfers to jetstar has been cancelled as they cannot afford to lose staff at the moment, this has been done with AIPA blessing supposedly. Off course this is aviation and nothing is fact until it is parked outside in your colours with the engines turning.
Within Qantas the MOU for transfers to jetstar has been cancelled as they cannot afford to lose staff at the moment, this has been done with AIPA blessing supposedly. Off course this is aviation and nothing is fact until it is parked outside in your colours with the engines turning.
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If QF management are prepared to make these claims, are they also willing to back it up and offer bypass pay to those FO's and SO's that don't get upgraded in the next three years if those forecasts are not met.
"I don't think so Tim".
"I don't think so Tim".
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I wonder if this means that poor sods like myself who fell off the bottom of the hold file after a couple of years in limbo will get another look in. Or maybe i'm too close to the bottom of the barrel
engine out,
My CP confirmed to me that a meeting did take place, and it was to discuss the current (from their point of view) crisis.
Of course nothing has been disseminated to the rank and file. Last thing thing they want to admit to is what the rest of us have known for ages! To the best of my knowledge they have no solutions, as he told me that he is not yet convinced that money will fix the problem.
Hellooo... Earth to CP.. Money is the only thing that will fix the problem!!!
They know it of course. They are just too terrified to admit it.
My CP confirmed to me that a meeting did take place, and it was to discuss the current (from their point of view) crisis.
Of course nothing has been disseminated to the rank and file. Last thing thing they want to admit to is what the rest of us have known for ages! To the best of my knowledge they have no solutions, as he told me that he is not yet convinced that money will fix the problem.
Hellooo... Earth to CP.. Money is the only thing that will fix the problem!!!
They know it of course. They are just too terrified to admit it.
Could be too late for QL! Rumour is that a considerable amount of QL pilots have had or are soon to be interviewed by DJ. If the rumour is correct it will ensure that QL aircraft are grounded and totally confuse Kumar.
Cant blame the QL pilots, they've been screwed over by the people who need them most NOW.
Oh well
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Cant blame the QL pilots, they've been screwed over by the people who need them most NOW.
Oh well
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