Merged: QF 777s and other rumours
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This has nothing to do with the 777 technology. This has got to do with the fact that QF only need a gap-filling machine. Both J* and QF have 330s in operation. Aditional numbers require only a few extra staff, and minimal training slots (second sim due August, I believe).
Introducing a new type would need more than 'gap-filling' justification.
This has nothing to do with the 777 technology. This has got to do with the fact that QF only need a gap-filling machine. Both J* and QF have 330s in operation. Aditional numbers require only a few extra staff, and minimal training slots (second sim due August, I believe).
Introducing a new type would need more than 'gap-filling' justification.
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Compensation?
Skysurfin':
Maybe the compensation runs to a good deal on
(like that hasn't been done before... ) or possibly covering any incremental costs (eg. training, maint) in running a new type?
Boeing have been itching for years to shift some 777s to QF (group). They could probably make production/delivery slots if need be, by ramping up production by an airframe or so a month; God knows the 747 line is at a trickle, and the 787 line now won't be ramping up for a while, freeing up some space and labour. It'd be a good way to make up for the delayed revenue due the delayed 787 deliveries. Also the loss of the 767 tanker contract means the space for that line isn't as crucial now.
I'd suggest there would also be a few carriers with big orders happy to reassess a slot or two as they cope with rising fuel prices and too few drivers (as gets regularly aired on PPRuNe).
Everett certainly isn't the same place it was ten years ago, when they were churning three models of wide-bodies out at a rate of knots.
Actually thinking a bit more about it, a few 777 frames in short order would make good sense if they replaced the 743s. There would also be no shortage of secondary-market takers amongst mid-ranking 777 operators who would like a few more frames but can't swallow the new-build cost - some well-maintained 5-y-o efforts would be perfect. Compensation by way of a leasing package (possibly ACMI if it's a relatively short period) from BAT could be just the ticket.
Will be interesting to see what sort of compensation they receive for the 787 delay.
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Boeing have been itching for years to shift some 777s to QF (group). They could probably make production/delivery slots if need be, by ramping up production by an airframe or so a month; God knows the 747 line is at a trickle, and the 787 line now won't be ramping up for a while, freeing up some space and labour. It'd be a good way to make up for the delayed revenue due the delayed 787 deliveries. Also the loss of the 767 tanker contract means the space for that line isn't as crucial now.
I'd suggest there would also be a few carriers with big orders happy to reassess a slot or two as they cope with rising fuel prices and too few drivers (as gets regularly aired on PPRuNe).
Everett certainly isn't the same place it was ten years ago, when they were churning three models of wide-bodies out at a rate of knots.
Actually thinking a bit more about it, a few 777 frames in short order would make good sense if they replaced the 743s. There would also be no shortage of secondary-market takers amongst mid-ranking 777 operators who would like a few more frames but can't swallow the new-build cost - some well-maintained 5-y-o efforts would be perfect. Compensation by way of a leasing package (possibly ACMI if it's a relatively short period) from BAT could be just the ticket.
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I think there is a strong chance of a wind up there.....
How good are your sources there mate?
After requesting a walk along the 777 line today (evening there) no J* tails to be seen.
The closest resmbling it was a Candian Maple Leaf, or maybe a UPS unit
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Now there maybe some coming but it was not on the line tonight!
J
I think there is a strong chance of a wind up there.....
How good are your sources there mate?
After requesting a walk along the 777 line today (evening there) no J* tails to be seen.
The closest resmbling it was a Candian Maple Leaf, or maybe a UPS unit
.Now there maybe some coming but it was not on the line tonight!
J
According to FLIGHT, Boeing are proposing new build 767-300ERs as an interum, as the production line is geared up for the 767 tanker projest that went to EADS instead.
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...and despite the fact that any expenditure on aircraft or leases has to be reported to the Australian Stock Exchange! No no no, not happening.
If you want timely, accurate information about a company like QF you need look no further than asx.com.au
http://www.asx.com.au/asx/markets/Pr...1&ASXCodes=qan
Let's try to involve the facts in these discussions
If you want timely, accurate information about a company like QF you need look no further than asx.com.au
http://www.asx.com.au/asx/markets/Pr...1&ASXCodes=qan
Let's try to involve the facts in these discussions
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request deferred - you quite havn't hit the nail on the head with your statement.
You can still actively look / seek and state neg on aircraft without informing ASX ,its until you put pen to paper
You can still actively look / seek and state neg on aircraft without informing ASX ,its until you put pen to paper
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My post was in reference to the claim that a 777 was already in Jetstar colours ; not happening unless reported to Stock Exchange.
I agree that a company can ' look but don't touch ' any time it wishes otherwise deals would never be made.......
I agree that a company can ' look but don't touch ' any time it wishes otherwise deals would never be made.......
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you dont have to report everything to the stock exchange, things have happened before........
Now to point out that Qantas has several operating companies that are not listed on stock - exchange..........
The results can be endless
Now to point out that Qantas has several operating companies that are not listed on stock - exchange..........
The results can be endless
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So whats the big deal anyway?
Jetstar is or was scheduled to receive the first 15 787's. Right?
So now rumour has it that they are going to be 777's.
Big F....ing deal.
Jetstar is or was scheduled to receive the first 15 787's. Right?
So now rumour has it that they are going to be 777's.
Big F....ing deal.
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My understanding is that a number of years ago QF actually did reserve some slots on the 777 production line and put down some coin for them. I don't know for how many (10-15 springs to mind as a way that QF ordered aircraft four or five years ago) and I don't know when they're due (but a time frame from 2010 doesn't seem unreasonable) and it'd be pretty damned easy to sell them on to someone else should QF decide to not proceed.
Still, the 777 is 'old technology'. We couldn't possibly buy them when we still have the 767s to fly around for the next six or seven years!
Still, the 777 is 'old technology'. We couldn't possibly buy them when we still have the 767s to fly around for the next six or seven years!
I just couldn't help but pull out the popcorn whilst having a gander at this thread and the somewhat hopeful yet unsustained input from (some) gullible posters...
Keep the capital "RU" in PPrune please folks, it's a hoot to observe how quickly the fish are biting around these parts...
Having said that, geez we could do with a few of dem Big Balus' Mom...
BR
Keep the capital "RU" in PPrune please folks, it's a hoot to observe how quickly the fish are biting around these parts...
Having said that, geez we could do with a few of dem Big Balus' Mom...
BR
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Had confirmed last night there are no 777's in the manufacturing schedule for QF or J*. So do not get your hopes up.
There are unidentified orders, as there is for every model, so you could speculate on those, but don't put any money on them.
Keg, you need to keep them old 767's........what would you drive otherwise???? An A330?
J
There are unidentified orders, as there is for every model, so you could speculate on those, but don't put any money on them.
Keg, you need to keep them old 767's........what would you drive otherwise???? An A330?
J
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If there's any truth in what Scooter R. says, then that backs up my theory that 777s may be offered by Boeing Aircraft Trading (BAT) as compensation for the 787 delays. BAT would rather offer airframes than have to shell out actual coin, it keeps those airframes in the air rather than at Victorville (so keeping parked fleet numbers down) and gets the type into QF colours (at last) hopefully with a view (in Boeing's mind) to them loving them and the type sticking by way of a new-build order. I doubt Boeing have completely given up on getting the Rat to take a few for Aust-UK non-stops (different variant, obviously, but it'd be a start).
Jaba,
BA have frequently said how much they love 777s, they've said they'd love to 1:1 replace their 744s for 777s and their older airframes are GE, not RR, so if it's RRs on offer from BAT, they're unlikely to be -236s.
There are no 777s showing on Planemart; but out of interest in the 707 section, msn 18808 is up for sale and that is the former VH-EBN 'City of Parramatta'. Hope the old girl doesn't get tin-canned...
Likewise there are no 777s listed on Boeing's own availability site but that's not to say that they list everything...
Jaba,
BA have frequently said how much they love 777s, they've said they'd love to 1:1 replace their 744s for 777s and their older airframes are GE, not RR, so if it's RRs on offer from BAT, they're unlikely to be -236s.
There are no 777s showing on Planemart; but out of interest in the 707 section, msn 18808 is up for sale and that is the former VH-EBN 'City of Parramatta'. Hope the old girl doesn't get tin-canned...
Likewise there are no 777s listed on Boeing's own availability site but that's not to say that they list everything...
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Singapore AL - would they be retiring 777-200ERs with RR, as they take their new 777-300ERs? If Jetstar want planes to fly to Southern Europe before the 787s are available this would be one way to do it. But would JQ want to compete against Singapore, Emirates, Thai, Cathay to Rome with hand me down planes from Singapore?