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A quote a news release today from AIPA:
Capt Glynn said the end of the turbulent bidding period was a particular relief for pilots.
"Qantas pilots are the guardians of the aviation industry,'' he said.
"As such, we are concerned about the future, especially when we hold the mantle of the world's safest airline in our hands.''
Is this for real- Do these people trully believe this?!!!!! O' dear.................
Capt Glynn said the end of the turbulent bidding period was a particular relief for pilots.
"Qantas pilots are the guardians of the aviation industry,'' he said.
"As such, we are concerned about the future, especially when we hold the mantle of the world's safest airline in our hands.''
Is this for real- Do these people trully believe this?!!!!! O' dear.................
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Without having seen the text in question, I'd say Cpt Glynn made his statement in the context of Qantas, and what certain Management types appear to be doing. Having known him for some time, I doubt his comments were intended as a slur on others not in the company.
I'd suggest cutting him some slack .... and keeping our focus on the REAL threat.
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I'd suggest cutting him some slack .... and keeping our focus on the REAL threat.
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Alidad,
how about opening your other eye and realising his comments are meant to shore up public support from Mr and Mrs Joe public, either reading this having their morning coffee or on morning TV.These are the people who think an aircraft stalls if you drop the clutch too quick. Playing the safety line seems pretty smart to me!
how about opening your other eye and realising his comments are meant to shore up public support from Mr and Mrs Joe public, either reading this having their morning coffee or on morning TV.These are the people who think an aircraft stalls if you drop the clutch too quick. Playing the safety line seems pretty smart to me!
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These are the people who think an aircraft stalls if you drop the clutch too quick.
Luckily mine is an auto...
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It looks like a union press blurb meant for general public consumption in the context of the events of the last few days. I am sure it wasn't meant to be taken as a slur against anyone.
If the aviation unions don't guard against the sort of rapacious arch-capitalism we have seen of late, who will? The media? the government?Take a chill pill guys...
If the aviation unions don't guard against the sort of rapacious arch-capitalism we have seen of late, who will? The media? the government?Take a chill pill guys...
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(quote) "Qantas pilots are the guardians of the aviation industry".
For the information of Captain Glynn and other Rodneys who belive this laughable garbage... oh Jeezus..!..(not sure whether to laugh or piss myself laughing...)...
Some crowd, in about 2000, (IAPA) did a series of audits on many airlines worldwide. They assessed the organisational health of companies looking at things like safety culture, safety systems, training, how they dealt with safety threats, internal auditing...etc...etc..
And Guess what????
QANTAS CAME 3RD!!!!!
Behind Air Canada and Ansett.
F#$%^ me gently...
"WE ARE THE SUPREME MASTERS OF ALL KNOWLEDGE, ARCANE..."
How can anyone say this sh!t with a straight face??
For the information of Captain Glynn and other Rodneys who belive this laughable garbage... oh Jeezus..!..(not sure whether to laugh or piss myself laughing...)...
Some crowd, in about 2000, (IAPA) did a series of audits on many airlines worldwide. They assessed the organisational health of companies looking at things like safety culture, safety systems, training, how they dealt with safety threats, internal auditing...etc...etc..
And Guess what????
QANTAS CAME 3RD!!!!!
Behind Air Canada and Ansett.
F#$%^ me gently...
"WE ARE THE SUPREME MASTERS OF ALL KNOWLEDGE, ARCANE..."
How can anyone say this sh!t with a straight face??
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Yes, Air Canada.
Really, this sort of crap is actually damaging to the aviation industry. Want to know why?
Because when this sort of rubbish is sprouted often enough, the rule makers and Joe Sixpack out there starts to only listen to one voice.
Just say, a very important safey issue arises (say, CAO 48 exemptions). If the myth that 'Qantas pilots are the guardians of the aviation industry' is permitted to perpetuate, then the valuable input from other sectors will tend to carry less weight or even be discarded.
That's why this sort of bulldust should be discredited and consigned to the dustbin, where it belongs.
Really, this sort of crap is actually damaging to the aviation industry. Want to know why?
Because when this sort of rubbish is sprouted often enough, the rule makers and Joe Sixpack out there starts to only listen to one voice.
Just say, a very important safey issue arises (say, CAO 48 exemptions). If the myth that 'Qantas pilots are the guardians of the aviation industry' is permitted to perpetuate, then the valuable input from other sectors will tend to carry less weight or even be discarded.
That's why this sort of bulldust should be discredited and consigned to the dustbin, where it belongs.
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For heavens sake.......
Isn't it just typical of Australian pilots and too often of the Australian attitude in general? A bloke says something to refocus the public, to remind them of the inherent VALUE within companies, namely the employees - all employees - and their professionalism. To refocus away from those who do nothing but financially re-engineer balance sheets to SUCK that value away. And what do you guys do? Start ripping him to shreds.
Mike Glynn is a thorough gentleman. If he was quoted accurately - IF - then he certainly wasn't intending to denegrate professional aviators not in QF. And he would correct his words no doubt if he could. He is attempting to remind the average Australian that PEOPLE within companies such as QF are valuable!
Take it for what he means, what he intends and stop whining and bitching at every opportunity. Crikey!!
Isn't it just typical of Australian pilots and too often of the Australian attitude in general? A bloke says something to refocus the public, to remind them of the inherent VALUE within companies, namely the employees - all employees - and their professionalism. To refocus away from those who do nothing but financially re-engineer balance sheets to SUCK that value away. And what do you guys do? Start ripping him to shreds.
Mike Glynn is a thorough gentleman. If he was quoted accurately - IF - then he certainly wasn't intending to denegrate professional aviators not in QF. And he would correct his words no doubt if he could. He is attempting to remind the average Australian that PEOPLE within companies such as QF are valuable!
Take it for what he means, what he intends and stop whining and bitching at every opportunity. Crikey!!
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Here is the entire release... I suggest reading it in context rather than taking a bit you don't like to slag off at.
QANTAS pilots say the airline's focus should now shift to rebuilding a sustainable, world-class airline, after the collapse of the private takeover bid.
Airline Partners Australia (APA) conceded defeat today in its $11.1 billion bid for Qantas, although it has not ruled out a fresh offer.
Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) acting president Captain Mike Glynn says there is no quick or easy fix to managing the airline.
The failure of the bid had meant an end to uncertainty for Qantas workers, he said today.
"Potential bidders for Qantas may try and court politicians and shareholders, but they risk ignoring 34,000 workers and families of the airline at their peril,'' he said.
"Pilots want to work to have a strong, profitable and growing Qantas and support the management to develop a plan for the future of the airline.''
Capt Glynn said the end of the turbulent bidding period was a particular relief for pilots.
"Qantas pilots are the guardians of the aviation industry,'' he said.
"As such, we are concerned about the future, especially when we hold the mantle of the world's safest airline in our hands.''
QANTAS pilots say the airline's focus should now shift to rebuilding a sustainable, world-class airline, after the collapse of the private takeover bid.
Airline Partners Australia (APA) conceded defeat today in its $11.1 billion bid for Qantas, although it has not ruled out a fresh offer.
Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) acting president Captain Mike Glynn says there is no quick or easy fix to managing the airline.
The failure of the bid had meant an end to uncertainty for Qantas workers, he said today.
"Potential bidders for Qantas may try and court politicians and shareholders, but they risk ignoring 34,000 workers and families of the airline at their peril,'' he said.
"Pilots want to work to have a strong, profitable and growing Qantas and support the management to develop a plan for the future of the airline.''
Capt Glynn said the end of the turbulent bidding period was a particular relief for pilots.
"Qantas pilots are the guardians of the aviation industry,'' he said.
"As such, we are concerned about the future, especially when we hold the mantle of the world's safest airline in our hands.''
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To be fair to Qantas (for once) The travelling public (of whom I am one occasionally) think it is really safe to have a pilot who has either spent countless hours in a Mirage or F18, or alternatively has spent countless hours landing a C210 on a claypan.
Now you may think my beliefs pathetic, but the reality is that us SLF's think that the reason QF is safe is that the pilots are the best in the world, as are the engineers, as are the cabin crew.
You f*&ckwits may not know it, but that is the reputation you had in the mid 1970's
The problem is that QF has been doing everything possible to destroy that image in favour of an image involving cheap busdrivers and an all powerful, alll seeing, Board.
I will now go out on a limb: The pronouncements of the Board regarding Qantas mainlines's status as a "legacy"airline, and their similar cost cutting initiatives are counterproductive, to the point where they will destroy shareholder value - to whit, the good name of Qantas.
To put it another way, on the worst flight I have ever had, which involved multiple thunderstorms and the aircraft in front exiting the runway, the most calming feature was an Australian voice saying "This is your Captain Speaking".
I respectfully suggest that the value of those five words spoken in an Aussie accent, is more than most of you can possibly know.
Now you may think my beliefs pathetic, but the reality is that us SLF's think that the reason QF is safe is that the pilots are the best in the world, as are the engineers, as are the cabin crew.
You f*&ckwits may not know it, but that is the reputation you had in the mid 1970's
The problem is that QF has been doing everything possible to destroy that image in favour of an image involving cheap busdrivers and an all powerful, alll seeing, Board.
I will now go out on a limb: The pronouncements of the Board regarding Qantas mainlines's status as a "legacy"airline, and their similar cost cutting initiatives are counterproductive, to the point where they will destroy shareholder value - to whit, the good name of Qantas.
To put it another way, on the worst flight I have ever had, which involved multiple thunderstorms and the aircraft in front exiting the runway, the most calming feature was an Australian voice saying "This is your Captain Speaking".
I respectfully suggest that the value of those five words spoken in an Aussie accent, is more than most of you can possibly know.
Nunc est bibendum
Funny how we bag out the media on PPRUNE for taking comments out of context and not having the first clue of what is going on, but a report like this must simply be 100% accurate and in context. lol. You guys crack me up. Confirmation bias is alive and well I see.
You've seen a 'sound grab'. Who know's what context his comments were made in. I DO know that he's a PPRUNE reader and so no doubt will enjoy you clowns sounding off without the first clue as to what actually went down.
I haven't met a pilot yet from ANY company that didn't see themselves as the final guardian of flight standards. If an engineer is pushing you to take an aeroplane you don't like it's the pilots that stand up to it. If the management are pushing you to bust minimums to get the job done it's the pilots who tell them to get knotted. If schedulers are flying you illegally it's the pilots who tell them to shove the duty. Pilots ARE the final guardians in this industry. We are not the only ones because I consider LAMEs in the mix here too (although I've known them to BS me from time to time in order to take an aircraft that we felt wasn't up to the task) but in that context Mike's comments are entirely reasonable.
Further, management have continued to trade on QF's safety record (deserved or not) over the years. The public believes the perception (deserved or not) that QF IS the safest airline in the world. The rest of us know the truth but given that it's a public perception then I don't see the drama in reminding the public of the QF spin that they peddle. QF trade on them being safe and charge a premium for that perception. It's those exact punters that QF drivers need on their side.
More power to you Elwood. I'll back you- even if you can't sing to save yourself!
As for the rest of you clowns, you're hysterical. I just love watching people on pprune stick both feet in their mouths by the use of the keyboards. Keep at it lads because you're making a much more interesting statement about yourself then you are about Mike.
You've seen a 'sound grab'. Who know's what context his comments were made in. I DO know that he's a PPRUNE reader and so no doubt will enjoy you clowns sounding off without the first clue as to what actually went down.
I haven't met a pilot yet from ANY company that didn't see themselves as the final guardian of flight standards. If an engineer is pushing you to take an aeroplane you don't like it's the pilots that stand up to it. If the management are pushing you to bust minimums to get the job done it's the pilots who tell them to get knotted. If schedulers are flying you illegally it's the pilots who tell them to shove the duty. Pilots ARE the final guardians in this industry. We are not the only ones because I consider LAMEs in the mix here too (although I've known them to BS me from time to time in order to take an aircraft that we felt wasn't up to the task) but in that context Mike's comments are entirely reasonable.
Further, management have continued to trade on QF's safety record (deserved or not) over the years. The public believes the perception (deserved or not) that QF IS the safest airline in the world. The rest of us know the truth but given that it's a public perception then I don't see the drama in reminding the public of the QF spin that they peddle. QF trade on them being safe and charge a premium for that perception. It's those exact punters that QF drivers need on their side.
More power to you Elwood. I'll back you- even if you can't sing to save yourself!
As for the rest of you clowns, you're hysterical. I just love watching people on pprune stick both feet in their mouths by the use of the keyboards. Keep at it lads because you're making a much more interesting statement about yourself then you are about Mike.