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peg says that jd is a nice person which i dont doubt but when my partner read ages ago about london base opening people used to go nuts from long haul about it on prune( o/s labour) london crew have been described as scabs by senior l/h crew to me( maybe bitter n twisted ) given all this does anyone have thoughts on jd going to london? pls dont bite me im a s/haul lass and am interested in what you l/haul guys n girls think.thanks gigs
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I'm sure you have some valid points, but I simply cannot read your posts.
I will direct you to a site that teaches grammar,spelling and punctuation.
http://www.grammarbook.com/english_rules.asp
I'm sure you have some valid points, but I simply cannot read your posts.
I will direct you to a site that teaches grammar,spelling and punctuation.
http://www.grammarbook.com/english_rules.asp
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Att.Miss Cartgirl. I will "direct you" or rather "please mam" read this....Thanks,I feal sure you are trying to help but maybe this excess energy could be directed to better use. Thats if you can understand what is being typed that is! Please read post 135 then,have a go at 154 and 155 maybe you boys all "hang out"together Thanks Happy Teaching but maybe you need some youself if you can not understand the kid's assignments! gigs
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Perhaps the lack of understanding comes in three parts; l/h cc are jet lagged from doing their Per returns; gigi is fatigued fro being on free 24 hr home reserve or crewing conned her into 12 min rest after the PVG; you don't really care about whats happening with casuals undercutting your jobs.
Anyway I am outraged with ALP wanting to can IRC, for a super power that you can visit at the mall. What kind of dill wants to work at mall? Imagine you have a real problem. The person who could help you out is now in a high powered city job in a very big building and some clapped out prozac swilling legal studies school teacher is at the mall to sort out why you are working for free on an AV day that you can't change, because even though we call you CASUAL, you are not, you are a lower paid industrial tool. Whom no one wants to acknowledge or has the balls to take it on.
I want a "mentor" for my EP training. What an unfair advantage. Meanwhile the 18yr old who is far too young to perv on, but I do, is spilling drinks and chewing gum and I am now doing more work - when I can get it.
Anyway I am outraged with ALP wanting to can IRC, for a super power that you can visit at the mall. What kind of dill wants to work at mall? Imagine you have a real problem. The person who could help you out is now in a high powered city job in a very big building and some clapped out prozac swilling legal studies school teacher is at the mall to sort out why you are working for free on an AV day that you can't change, because even though we call you CASUAL, you are not, you are a lower paid industrial tool. Whom no one wants to acknowledge or has the balls to take it on.
I want a "mentor" for my EP training. What an unfair advantage. Meanwhile the 18yr old who is far too young to perv on, but I do, is spilling drinks and chewing gum and I am now doing more work - when I can get it.
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Enough about grammar. Welcome to the generation Y age and go get a blog. What on earth does all this mean? We have a dodgy union, I am going to Bom tomorrow when I just want to have a stage in DRW. I am beginning to think that perhaps it is not just the casuals they are getting a cut of.
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Sorry guys it takes a while for the penny to drop:
How is this for a conspiracy theory, pprune syle
MA and union are in bed, yes.
Union bought by QF to run AN into runway.
I can see it. QF knew one more wage increase good be the straw. Pay off for union - a cut of the casuals to start, then a cut in the saving of S/H doing Reg flying. All of the sudden I can see.... 5 cougars thanks!
Any better theories?
How is this for a conspiracy theory, pprune syle
MA and union are in bed, yes.
Union bought by QF to run AN into runway.
I can see it. QF knew one more wage increase good be the straw. Pay off for union - a cut of the casuals to start, then a cut in the saving of S/H doing Reg flying. All of the sudden I can see.... 5 cougars thanks!
Any better theories?
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Got it. C under cut B, B under cut A, cas undercut perm, s/h undercut l/h. So like why has nothing been done? Why are CC powerless?
There are nearly 1200 casuals, what are you lot doing? SOme of you must have been industry exposed? Yet like why have you been
? Come on? Share! Casuals are gutless. Oh Oh if i just take it up the back , I might just get a permanent possie, if I just suck some yoohoo I'LL GET regional flying. Yep you've really helped yourselves progress
Bring on contract FFF! Now thats team work and I am leader!!!!!!!
There are nearly 1200 casuals, what are you lot doing? SOme of you must have been industry exposed? Yet like why have you been
? Come on? Share! Casuals are gutless. Oh Oh if i just take it up the back , I might just get a permanent possie, if I just suck some yoohoo I'LL GET regional flying. Yep you've really helped yourselves progress Bring on contract FFF! Now thats team work and I am leader!!!!!!!
So much has been written about the negative impact of having a casual workforce, and the short haul union's roll. No one has mentioned the huge benefits that casual F/A's have brought to the permanent short haul group.
Prior to the introduction of casuals, there were several hundred F/A's in short haul who were desperate for part time positions. Also everyone was wanting flexible working arrangements, ie the ability to drop trips that you did not want to do, reduce your working hours to fit in with family responsibilities etc. Basically if there was a trip on your roster which you were unable to do due to lack of childcare, or an important engagement, you should be able to drop it unpaid. There was enormous pressure on the company and the union to provide a much more flexible work place.
Over the last couple of EBA's, (along with the employment of casuals), part time has been offered to everyone in short haul, and every F/A working a full time roster has the ability to 'dump' any trip on their roster (down to 85hrs) to be picked up by the casual workforce. This has been an enormous win for all those FA's with family commitments, or anyone who basically wants to have a life outside flying.
The offset of increasing flexibilities in our working lives is having casuals. If 100 FA's want to get rid of their trips on new years day, we need 100 casuals to pick up these trips!!
And on another note, I am sick and tired of hearing that short haul undercut long haul on international routes. We work under totally different awards with totally different conditions. I don't know how much long haul FA's get paid, but even if it were $100 an hour, I still would not and could not fly under the Long Haul award. To offset the higher pay, long haulers have to do 56 day reserve periods where they have no idea what they will be doing, fly as far as Europe and adjust to different time zones, and can be turned around upline during a trip, which may infringe their days off. They can also be away from home for 2 weeks at a time. Their working conditions are much harder on their personal lives, and family commitments.
Short haul may be paid a slightly lower wage, but to offset we have much more family friendly working conditions. No short haul FA ever has to do a reserve span (casuals do reserve for us). We can't be rostered to work more than 6 days in a row, we don't fly through time zones more than about 4 hours from EST and we have very flexible working arrangements.
So you need to look past the bottom dollar figure at the package as a whole and decide which award is better. Hundreds of long haul FA's have transferred to short haul in the last few years, so I guess they made that decision for themselves.
I am not affiliated with the short haul union in any way, other than paying my fees. However I do not think that they have done as bad a job as everyone here is making out.
Prior to the introduction of casuals, there were several hundred F/A's in short haul who were desperate for part time positions. Also everyone was wanting flexible working arrangements, ie the ability to drop trips that you did not want to do, reduce your working hours to fit in with family responsibilities etc. Basically if there was a trip on your roster which you were unable to do due to lack of childcare, or an important engagement, you should be able to drop it unpaid. There was enormous pressure on the company and the union to provide a much more flexible work place.
Over the last couple of EBA's, (along with the employment of casuals), part time has been offered to everyone in short haul, and every F/A working a full time roster has the ability to 'dump' any trip on their roster (down to 85hrs) to be picked up by the casual workforce. This has been an enormous win for all those FA's with family commitments, or anyone who basically wants to have a life outside flying.
The offset of increasing flexibilities in our working lives is having casuals. If 100 FA's want to get rid of their trips on new years day, we need 100 casuals to pick up these trips!!
And on another note, I am sick and tired of hearing that short haul undercut long haul on international routes. We work under totally different awards with totally different conditions. I don't know how much long haul FA's get paid, but even if it were $100 an hour, I still would not and could not fly under the Long Haul award. To offset the higher pay, long haulers have to do 56 day reserve periods where they have no idea what they will be doing, fly as far as Europe and adjust to different time zones, and can be turned around upline during a trip, which may infringe their days off. They can also be away from home for 2 weeks at a time. Their working conditions are much harder on their personal lives, and family commitments.
Short haul may be paid a slightly lower wage, but to offset we have much more family friendly working conditions. No short haul FA ever has to do a reserve span (casuals do reserve for us). We can't be rostered to work more than 6 days in a row, we don't fly through time zones more than about 4 hours from EST and we have very flexible working arrangements.
So you need to look past the bottom dollar figure at the package as a whole and decide which award is better. Hundreds of long haul FA's have transferred to short haul in the last few years, so I guess they made that decision for themselves.
I am not affiliated with the short haul union in any way, other than paying my fees. However I do not think that they have done as bad a job as everyone here is making out.
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The problem is The The is that you are being asked to think and try to experience a vicarious reality. What is valued by full time staff can be at the expense of casual staff. What has been implemented in part by FAAA assitance for full time short haul staff has been the profit of whom? Well, Qantas has profited and, more casuals have been employed so does this mean that more people have jobs? Its in part the quality of that existance and at the cost to who is the question and, who benifits and profits from what has been put in place?
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the the, I think you just clarified the MAM position albiet not the actual spirit of thread. Our conditions have improved at the determine of our casuals counter parts. 20 days per 28, plus 5 free home reserve. Yes we can dump, but how long will we be around if we are being undercut like this in black and white. Casual treatment is getting worse whilst the mothers club can go part time or dump to 85hrs. Do you think it is ok to superior in this way?
Gigs give up. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make the mule drink. Air hostesses are dumb by nature, s/h is just a mother club. Focused by Vercase sunnies in the white 4x4.
Gigs give up. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make the mule drink. Air hostesses are dumb by nature, s/h is just a mother club. Focused by Vercase sunnies in the white 4x4.
Galleyslag you wrote: Casual treatment is getting worse whilst the mothers club can go part time or dump to 85hrs.
Just remember that the casual EBA's are only voted on by casuals. Permanent crew have a separate EBA. In their last EBA the A and B casuals voted for future colleagues to be on contract C. I believe they received $1000 cash bonus for voting this EBA up.
Just remember that the casual EBA's are only voted on by casuals. Permanent crew have a separate EBA. In their last EBA the A and B casuals voted for future colleagues to be on contract C. I believe they received $1000 cash bonus for voting this EBA up.
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The The......Morality
Negotiating an improvement in your circumstances is fine.
Doing so to the detriment of others is bastardry.
Dixon identified shorthaul as the weakest immoral link and began the race to bottom.
Doing so to the detriment of others is bastardry.
Dixon identified shorthaul as the weakest immoral link and began the race to bottom.
