Air NZ to get A319's?
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Load of rubbish? pppppppppfffffffffffffffffffffffttttttttt go and read the creditors reports and find how much they 'stole'
yes Ansett was heading down the gutter i agree but what Air New Zealand did was totally un - acceptable./
yes Ansett was heading down the gutter i agree but what Air New Zealand did was totally un - acceptable./
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Oh my god, let it go already!!!
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That's interesting. The word has always been that they'll get NG Boeings somewhere round 2011, but I'm not sure how reliable that one is either.
The 319 would certainly be a good machine for the domestic market if they can sort out the loading hastles they have with A320s on the domestic runs. Other airlines seem to be able to do it so I'd imagine it's just a slight infrastructure change?
That's interesting. The word has always been that they'll get NG Boeings somewhere round 2011, but I'm not sure how reliable that one is either.
The 319 would certainly be a good machine for the domestic market if they can sort out the loading hastles they have with A320s on the domestic runs. Other airlines seem to be able to do it so I'd imagine it's just a slight infrastructure change?
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Cloud mate.....loading hassels????.......explain....just curious really.....fly both the 320/319.....never really experienced loading hassels.....PB
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Is cos vee arrre freench..an say noon
Plus I think AirNZ (I stand to be corrected) have a few issues with their set up being Boeing based rather than tolouse inspired.
BTW you have to try Tolouse sausage...food of the gods
Plus I think AirNZ (I stand to be corrected) have a few issues with their set up being Boeing based rather than tolouse inspired.
BTW you have to try Tolouse sausage...food of the gods
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I've noticed that NZ previously used ULDs (AKH - baby cans) in the loading of their A320s, now I've been seeing a mix of both bulk load and ULDs being used... perhaps that may have something to do with the loading problems mentioned??? Anyone?
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PB, I'll give it a go but I'm not really sure my self. Something to do with the cans, and how the bags can't be accessed at the aircraft for tranships. Does that make any sense? Perhaps someone else could help me out. All I know is I've been delayed waiting for bags off A320s (filling in for 73s) and that was the reason given.
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Cloud.....more confused really.......we run 321/320/319....757/737 ops all from the same gates......and its a daily routine......reckon it depends on how much $$$$$$ you want to throw at the operation side of things....PB
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Yes, apparently Mr Airbus was out last week to hand out gifts and try to sway Air NZ.
2 Shows, none and you know the other!
Air NZ recently did the math (unlike selwyn cushing!) and the 737s will be staying. And I believe getting a well earned refurb.
Comment re cans and thrown bags, Cans for Air NZ flights and throw it in for Freedom maybe?
2 Shows, none and you know the other!
Air NZ recently did the math (unlike selwyn cushing!) and the 737s will be staying. And I believe getting a well earned refurb.
Comment re cans and thrown bags, Cans for Air NZ flights and throw it in for Freedom maybe?
I concur with CT7. The 733's will be flying the line domestically until c 2015 when the 73 replacement comes out. Then Air NZ will put their hat in the ring (just like almost every other 73 operator around the world) for some delivery slots.
As an aside, with Le Bus, is there such a thing as a high cycle penalty with respect to airframe and engine overhaul costs etc?
As an aside, with Le Bus, is there such a thing as a high cycle penalty with respect to airframe and engine overhaul costs etc?
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319's are being looked at but it's not a formal fleet replacement program yet.
Airbus are pushing it hard.
A320 considerably cheaper to maintain than 737.
Serious advantage to having same a/c type operating domestic and trans tasman, one pilot group, one flight attendant group, one sim, fit a/c to route, ie 319 to provincial cities etc.
NZ = Cans, SJ = Bulk.
Airbus are pushing it hard.
A320 considerably cheaper to maintain than 737.
Serious advantage to having same a/c type operating domestic and trans tasman, one pilot group, one flight attendant group, one sim, fit a/c to route, ie 319 to provincial cities etc.
NZ = Cans, SJ = Bulk.
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The pencil will have to be very sharp for the company to consider them as I believe they have not budgeted to change the domestic fleet for a little while yet... Also there is the issue of the 319 being heavier than the domestic weight -300, this pushes it into the next weight bracket for landing fees and so it would have to be a lot cheaper to run...
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The only reason Freedom flights are not can loaded is most Freedom flights operate into Dunedin, Hamilton and Palmerston North which do not have the equipment to load / unload containers.
Also why you see Freedom flights operating in Air NZ livery and vice versa is because the A320 pilot group operate as one under Zeal 320 which is a combination of both Air NZ and Freedom A320 pilots. Therefore you may fly an Air NZ service one day and a Freedom service the next.
Believe me it's a complete dogs breakfast and either pilot group likes it.
The only reason Freedom flights are not can loaded is most Freedom flights operate into Dunedin, Hamilton and Palmerston North which do not have the equipment to load / unload containers.
Also why you see Freedom flights operating in Air NZ livery and vice versa is because the A320 pilot group operate as one under Zeal 320 which is a combination of both Air NZ and Freedom A320 pilots. Therefore you may fly an Air NZ service one day and a Freedom service the next.
Believe me it's a complete dogs breakfast and either pilot group likes it.
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My 2 bob's worth is that cans and narrow bodies do not work.
TN tried it with cans in the 727-276 a thousand years ago and it was a nightmare. 737/757 belly sections are much the same as the fuselage dimension is the same. A319/320/321 are only slightly wider.
Stick in ULD's and you limit your ability to carry abnormal length baggage/freight eliminating sporting equipment in many cases and long cargo.
There is also the weight penalty of the ULD itself. No bulk hold in a single aisle aeroplane.
This one must have been introduced by Maaaaaaahketing.
Best all
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TN tried it with cans in the 727-276 a thousand years ago and it was a nightmare. 737/757 belly sections are much the same as the fuselage dimension is the same. A319/320/321 are only slightly wider.
Stick in ULD's and you limit your ability to carry abnormal length baggage/freight eliminating sporting equipment in many cases and long cargo.
There is also the weight penalty of the ULD itself. No bulk hold in a single aisle aeroplane.
This one must have been introduced by Maaaaaaahketing.
Best all
EWL