Emirates Coming to Town
The question that will be asked most frequently at these information sessions is: When is EK going to open bases in Australia?
That would take the "heat" out of the argument about living conditions in Dubai.
For them to get the pilot numbers that they need, they will eventually have to succumb, even though they don't want to. I know that a significant number of QF pilots would move to EK if they are based in Oz and are on similar money. Problems for EK would include all the current EK Oz expat pilots demanding that they be allowed to base themselves back in Oz.
That would take the "heat" out of the argument about living conditions in Dubai.
For them to get the pilot numbers that they need, they will eventually have to succumb, even though they don't want to. I know that a significant number of QF pilots would move to EK if they are based in Oz and are on similar money. Problems for EK would include all the current EK Oz expat pilots demanding that they be allowed to base themselves back in Oz.
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: oz
Posts: 622
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hit the nail on the head boeing, if there is any sort of seniority in EK, no new or recent hiree will stand a chance of getting an Oz base, in fact, they could get killed in the stampede.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Dubai
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ACMS - Mate, not wrong to voice an opinion. Since when is it wrong to point out flaws in that opinion?
You are big on quoting the numbers of EK pilots leaving. (Lots of CX leaving too from what my mates tell me in CX- going to greener better paying pastures). Did you talk to them and discover they left because of the points you made in your earlier post or might it have been for some other reason.
If you trying to get the VB guys to look at the Middle east forum as was your stated noble objective, you could have said -"Hey guys check out the discussions on the middle east forum".(which i'm sure they could locate anyway)
As I told you already the Link was on the EMIRATES road show. You are entitled to you insular opinion, I was just pointing out how useless your opinion was.
I have read your other posts on how Cathay is the perfect airline, and like the others that have replied to you, think that your opinions are both wrong and ill considered.
But Hey, feel free to say what you want.
Ps, Im off for a swim on this glorious 27 deg day and I'll try not to get abused by any locals. Oh and no sign of any dust haze today.
(how is Honkas today?)
You are big on quoting the numbers of EK pilots leaving. (Lots of CX leaving too from what my mates tell me in CX- going to greener better paying pastures). Did you talk to them and discover they left because of the points you made in your earlier post or might it have been for some other reason.
If you trying to get the VB guys to look at the Middle east forum as was your stated noble objective, you could have said -"Hey guys check out the discussions on the middle east forum".(which i'm sure they could locate anyway)
As I told you already the Link was on the EMIRATES road show. You are entitled to you insular opinion, I was just pointing out how useless your opinion was.
I have read your other posts on how Cathay is the perfect airline, and like the others that have replied to you, think that your opinions are both wrong and ill considered.
But Hey, feel free to say what you want.
Ps, Im off for a swim on this glorious 27 deg day and I'll try not to get abused by any locals. Oh and no sign of any dust haze today.
(how is Honkas today?)
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sidenee
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
According to EK recruitment website : DEC - 8,000 total, 3,000 PIC multi crew multi eng jet a/c > 55 tonnes MTOW , 4,000 m/crew m/eng jet or turbo prop a/c MTOW 10 tonnes or more as P1 or P2.
F/O - 4,000 total, 2,000 m/crew m/eng jet a/c.......
F/O - 4,000 total, 2,000 m/crew m/eng jet a/c.......
MMSOBGYTAST:-- yes mate enjoy the 2 to 3 months a year you can go to the beach without being fried alive.
You must be crazy not to know why lots of your Pilots are leaving. They hate Dubai, hate the pay, hate the traffic jams and you work their asses off, a lot go to early retirement or join companies like Jetstar Intl on much lower pay and conditions just to get away from the sand. That must tell you something about life in the sandpit hey? maybe you could read the middle east forum?
In the last 3 months Pilot's are leaving Cx mostly to go back to the states, UPS, SWA and FEDEX, a few to Europe as well. These guys never intended to stay here in the first place and maybe Cx shouldn't have taken them. The numbers are quite small overall.
I venture to suggest that most guys leave Cx not because they hate it here but, because an offer back home too good to refuse came up.
A lot of Cx retirees even extend past 55 at B scale wages to stay here, I wish they retired but they don't in the vast majority of cases.
I'm not saying there are no problems in Cx, unfortunately there are many.
I never said Cx was the perfect airline, go re-read my post in reply to guys slinging off at Cx. It seems to me that Ek standards are just as good as Cx, maybe better.
Oh a Hong Kong is ok today, overcast and around 23c. But that doesn't matter with my better roster I can go almost anywhere in Asia in 4 Hours, Skiing in Sapporo, beach in Phuket, beach in Bali, mountain hiking in Taiwan. And we can use the jump seat to help us get on. We are only 8 hours from Oz, a lot closer than you guys in the pit. So go on, enjoy the beach in Dubai while you can, don't forget the sunscreen my friend. Maybe you could go land mine clearing in Lebanon perhaps?
So at the Emirates roadshow in Australia they are going to discuss Gulfair recruitment to Bah? duh my post was relevent, you may not agree with it, but it was relevent none the less.
You must be crazy not to know why lots of your Pilots are leaving. They hate Dubai, hate the pay, hate the traffic jams and you work their asses off, a lot go to early retirement or join companies like Jetstar Intl on much lower pay and conditions just to get away from the sand. That must tell you something about life in the sandpit hey? maybe you could read the middle east forum?
In the last 3 months Pilot's are leaving Cx mostly to go back to the states, UPS, SWA and FEDEX, a few to Europe as well. These guys never intended to stay here in the first place and maybe Cx shouldn't have taken them. The numbers are quite small overall.
I venture to suggest that most guys leave Cx not because they hate it here but, because an offer back home too good to refuse came up.
A lot of Cx retirees even extend past 55 at B scale wages to stay here, I wish they retired but they don't in the vast majority of cases.
I'm not saying there are no problems in Cx, unfortunately there are many.
I have read your other posts on how Cathay is the perfect airline, and like the others that have replied to you, think that your opinions are both wrong and ill considered.
Oh a Hong Kong is ok today, overcast and around 23c. But that doesn't matter with my better roster I can go almost anywhere in Asia in 4 Hours, Skiing in Sapporo, beach in Phuket, beach in Bali, mountain hiking in Taiwan. And we can use the jump seat to help us get on. We are only 8 hours from Oz, a lot closer than you guys in the pit. So go on, enjoy the beach in Dubai while you can, don't forget the sunscreen my friend. Maybe you could go land mine clearing in Lebanon perhaps?
As I told you already the Link was on the EMIRATES road show. You are entitled to you insular opinion, I was just pointing out how useless your opinion was.
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Australia
Age: 60
Posts: 277
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ACMS,
all of what you say can and does happen in the UAE, however it is not a usual occurrence and is certainly not indicative of life in general in Dubai.
I have spent a lot of time in Hong kong and know it is not the place for me, so I am quite happy with my life in Dubai. Even if I may wish to return to a more conventional life in OZ, nobody there is offering jobs that make that decision worthwhile yet, (for me). Having just arrived home from a trip to HKG I am very much looking forward to loading up my 4WD and heading off to the mountains for a secluded weekend of camping with the family. That is something you definitely can't do in your part of the world, if you can even afford to own a car that is. So it is a major difference in life style that makes the move to Dubai or else where a big decision once you get past the money and conditions of employment. Each to their own!
Unfortunately there are no easy answers anymore because there is good and bad with all the choices. Reading what 50 guys may be complaining about does not make it true for the other ~1600 pilots nor the problems of a close mate.
all of what you say can and does happen in the UAE, however it is not a usual occurrence and is certainly not indicative of life in general in Dubai.
I have spent a lot of time in Hong kong and know it is not the place for me, so I am quite happy with my life in Dubai. Even if I may wish to return to a more conventional life in OZ, nobody there is offering jobs that make that decision worthwhile yet, (for me). Having just arrived home from a trip to HKG I am very much looking forward to loading up my 4WD and heading off to the mountains for a secluded weekend of camping with the family. That is something you definitely can't do in your part of the world, if you can even afford to own a car that is. So it is a major difference in life style that makes the move to Dubai or else where a big decision once you get past the money and conditions of employment. Each to their own!
Unfortunately there are no easy answers anymore because there is good and bad with all the choices. Reading what 50 guys may be complaining about does not make it true for the other ~1600 pilots nor the problems of a close mate.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Dubai
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ACMS,
You are a sucker for punishment. Mate just get the facts right thats all. Too many generalisations from you and inaccurate information.
2-3months - wrong more like 6 months+, but yes it does get tooo bloody hot in summer.
I am not crazy, but i don't know why ALL the guys left Dubai as you assuredly do.
Hey, maybe the same thing goes for the EK guys as well. This is not home, and when the time is right I too will pack up and go back home.
Overcast hey (more like smoggy). With your better roster? How do you know what my roster is like. HA!, I just had 6 days off slumming it in OMAN. Off to Milan next for 3 days then 4 days off. Anywhere in asia in 4 hrs. HA HA ok fine if thats where you want to go. Europe is pretty close to here too you know.
Landmine clearing in Lebanon? What the? I'd suggest there are a tad few more land mines in your neck of the woods (cambodia et al) than mine.
Ah whats the point? I am no longer interested in comparing incomparable things to an incomprehensible person.
Ps The beach was lovely.
Don't forget to take your umbrella when you go outside today (acid rain and all).
(Skiing at Sapporo HA HA HA - yeah like Europe is so much worse)
You are a sucker for punishment. Mate just get the facts right thats all. Too many generalisations from you and inaccurate information.
2-3months - wrong more like 6 months+, but yes it does get tooo bloody hot in summer.
I am not crazy, but i don't know why ALL the guys left Dubai as you assuredly do.
I venture to suggest that most guys leave Cx not because they hate it here but, because an offer back home too good to refuse came up.
Overcast hey (more like smoggy). With your better roster? How do you know what my roster is like. HA!, I just had 6 days off slumming it in OMAN. Off to Milan next for 3 days then 4 days off. Anywhere in asia in 4 hrs. HA HA ok fine if thats where you want to go. Europe is pretty close to here too you know.
Landmine clearing in Lebanon? What the? I'd suggest there are a tad few more land mines in your neck of the woods (cambodia et al) than mine.
Ah whats the point? I am no longer interested in comparing incomparable things to an incomprehensible person.
Ps The beach was lovely.
Don't forget to take your umbrella when you go outside today (acid rain and all).
(Skiing at Sapporo HA HA HA - yeah like Europe is so much worse)
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: australia
Posts: 916
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Shockwave
Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed your post - you have made your choice (or know where you don't want to be), you will look at options in Oz (if/when they become decent trade off), you perceive a lifestyle that suits your family regarding time off, you agree that everyone has to make their choices as fits their own needs/perceptions.
Seems pretty fair and logical.
Seems like someone who deals in the real world.
That will, unfortunately, piss a substantial number of Ppruner's off.
To quote Mr Kelly -"such is life."
Regards to all.
Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed your post - you have made your choice (or know where you don't want to be), you will look at options in Oz (if/when they become decent trade off), you perceive a lifestyle that suits your family regarding time off, you agree that everyone has to make their choices as fits their own needs/perceptions.
Seems pretty fair and logical.
Seems like someone who deals in the real world.
That will, unfortunately, piss a substantial number of Ppruner's off.
To quote Mr Kelly -"such is life."
Regards to all.
MMSOBGYTAST:- all reports say that Sapporo has some of the best powder skiing anywhere in the world.
Anyway..............Truth be told I don't much like Hk either, I'm staying here because I can't get as good a job in Oz. Generally speaking I like Cx and like the operation ( as said on other threads ) even if it does have a few kinks to be ironed out!!
I like the aircraft we operate and more importantly the guys and girls I fly with.
So it would have to be one hell of a good offer to up stumps here and leave for Oz, because that's about the only place I would move to.
Although If I wasn't in Cx I would most likely have been in Ek, and who knows what I might be saying then
Anyway..............Truth be told I don't much like Hk either, I'm staying here because I can't get as good a job in Oz. Generally speaking I like Cx and like the operation ( as said on other threads ) even if it does have a few kinks to be ironed out!!
I like the aircraft we operate and more importantly the guys and girls I fly with.
So it would have to be one hell of a good offer to up stumps here and leave for Oz, because that's about the only place I would move to.
Although If I wasn't in Cx I would most likely have been in Ek, and who knows what I might be saying then
ACMS and MMSOBGYTAST, are you sure you guys aren't married?? You would make the perfect couple Thanks for the entertainment though, I now know all the pros and cons about living in Hong Kong vs Dubai.....decisions decisions
Thanks for the entertainment though, I now know all the pros and cons about living in Hong Kong vs Dubai.....decisions decisions
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mars
Age: 20
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Is this a PPrune first? A dick-measuring contest between pilots about who's got the BETTER conditions?! 
"The sh*t hole I live in is better than the sh*thole you live in." Classic. Absolutely classic.......
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 246
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Propaganda
I got an all expences paid jolly last year to DXB in business class, 5* Movenpick hotel ...Thanks Emirates for your hospitality, but no thanks.
As the statement appears to have no relevance to the subject, just what is your point? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: OZ
Posts: 313
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
TIMMEEE, Being jewish or female does not exclude you from flying with EK, we have both types here already. Just don't put Jew as your religion on any paper work or Athiest for that matter... As for your girlfriend, jewish or muslim, she cannot live with you unless you get married. Many couples do, but it is against the law. As for her past, I would say just don't state it anywhere, If she has an Australian passport then there should be no problem. If she applies for a job that requires a security check I would suggest that might be a concern, but not sure. Check with the Dept of Foreign Affairs maybe??
Now back to the pissing contest...
Now back to the pissing contest...
TCOB
I hope your sources are truly impeccable. CM said at the Second Officer briefing last year that he wasn't worried about pilots leaving QF in significant numbers unless EK started pilot bases in Oz. I suspect that his worst nightmare is about to happen.
I hope your sources are truly impeccable. CM said at the Second Officer briefing last year that he wasn't worried about pilots leaving QF in significant numbers unless EK started pilot bases in Oz. I suspect that his worst nightmare is about to happen.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mars
Age: 20
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
EK would have to substantially increase their dollars though if you had to be based in Australia and pay Australian taxes.