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Old 9th Jun 2007, 04:40
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Devil yet another committee

so now i hear after the alaea win ,that they have agreed to a roster committee,to sort out the perth fiasco,sounds like exec of old stall stall stall all the while the poor perth lames pay.i hope that this extension on extension of forcing the dmm to the 8hr roster pays off.if i were in perth,(which i am not) i would be a little pissed by know on how long this battle is taking.maybe its time to bury the hatchet and get on with it either way peoples livelyhood at risk and all
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Old 9th Jun 2007, 07:04
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Yeh whats wrong with you Perth guys, why don't you give management what they want you're only hurting yourselves. Cave in. Make M the hero. Resign from your union and leave your wives.
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Old 9th Jun 2007, 07:45
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maybe its time to bury the hatchet and get on with it either way peoples livelihood at risk and all
Why does it not surprise me that you have said this? People need to stand up for the conditions they have, not give them up for some arse kissing managers bonus. Get a grip.
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Old 9th Jun 2007, 08:08
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For all that don't know

At 5 minutes to 5PM yesterday the ALAEA were served with a truck load of documents from Qantas. The appeal to the full bench at the AIRC starting next Wednesday. Papers served the same day that the union, in good faith, put out a notice allowing an extension before the DMMs are forced to the 8 hour shift on 1 July.

M you will fall on that sword you ungrateful, dishonest and arrogant piece of crap. Get the hell out of our state and never come back. Send any more of your little boys over and they will be treated just the same as you would be if you stepped foot on our tarmac. If you had support from anyone here it is now gone.
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Old 9th Jun 2007, 13:18
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HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF ON THE ALAEA
M you will fall on that sword you ungrateful, dishonest and arrogant piece of crap. Get the hell out of our state and never come back. Send any more of your little boys over and they will be treated just the same as you would be if you stepped foot on our tarmac. If you had support from anyone here it is now gone.
M comes to Perth and craps on about not worrying about history...Yea sure
Again a lesson lived that we never learned...... Why has the association allowed the extension? What good faith do you negotiate with these diseased dogs?
Too many times we have been flexible only to be screwed again. You can count me as the first NO vote in your next extended hours roster...21 'NO' votes to go...
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Old 9th Jun 2007, 14:23
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Point taken Anulus Filler (great name) but you must admit the ALAEA have not allowed that much of an extension.They must show they are trying to negotiate in case they go back to the Commission.They must prove there not shutting the door on the company. Wise! They have barely allowed 2 weeks before the new roster committee presents the re wrapped roster and if ticked will be implemented by the 7th July.They insisted who was on the committee and if you notice its 2 of the most anti management types you can get and obviously the best pick for us. M wanted new guys with a hope they towed the company line.I hope for everyones sake M is genuine in his words of moving forward. I think his recent appeal is independent of whats happening in Perth. VP Watsons decision has serious implications for all departments in QF. If this roster fails it will be the end of Perth Engineering.All will be revieled in 2 weeks!
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Old 9th Jun 2007, 20:58
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I don't know if this will help in getting a positve resolution for the Perth guys, but it may help in applying the heat. Many years ago when my union was negotiating an award the boss at the time remarked how they were very worried about the cost of leave entitlements being carried over to the new pay rates. The Union Secretary's reply was swift and to the point. If the company desired to force workers take excessive annual leave it would have the full support of the union. His reasoning was that annual leave was a hard won condition and it should be used for the benefit of the workers and their families. Most awards or EBAs will have a clause relating to when an employee may take leave with the words 'mutually agreed' being in there somewhere. Excessive Annual Leave was considered to be leave not taken within 12 months of the employees anniversary date. Thus, with an annual leave entitlement of 190 hrs, an employee could have the 190hrs from his previous year plus up to 190hrs accruing in his current year. Over 380 hrs is excessive and the company could send the employee off whether they wanted to go or not. This may seem harsh but it is a two edged sword. Employers cannot refuse to allow employees to acquit excessive annual leave at a time of the employee's choosing. In fact I seem to remember it being said it was against industrial law to accrue too much leave! Anybody from the ALAEA Executive reading that would care to do some research?
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Old 9th Jun 2007, 22:12
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Mobi LAME - The ALAEA are already on to the annual leave problem. They have raised it with the AIRC at conciliation stage which is the last step before arbitration. Legals are also challenging the rejection of LSL.

Anulus - The ALAEA have extended the deadline for DMMs to go to the roster by 12 days so it fits in with a pay period. The goodwill gesture and notice will be more than helpful when the appeal is in court to show that the union is reasonable.
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Old 9th Jun 2007, 22:44
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The "five minutes to five PM" is an old lawyers trick to ruin your weekend, and screw you over just a little more. It's been done to me, and it basically tells you that you are dealng with a bunch of snakes.

It would appear to me that the approach of Qantas is;

1. Return to an eight hour roster.

2. Apply AWA's and roll overtime/shift penalties/ etc. into one hourly rate.

3. Work you whatever hours they want to work you, whenever they like.

That means scheduling/delays/etc. don't impact their bottom line. If the aircraft turns up for maintenance three hours late, it still costs them exactly the same to get you monkeys to fix it....

I would assume the AWA would contain all the goodies Johnny Howard built in. Lets see.......

Annual Leave to be taken only at the company's discretion.

Financial Bonds for training, or perhaps a special "training wage", or you pay for it yourself.

Perhaps "incentives" not to join a union.... The list is endless, and onlly limited by the creativity and malevolence of the snakes you are dealing with.
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Old 10th Jun 2007, 01:39
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once again we walk straight into another good faith approach ,when will we learn ? enough is enough if m wants the reduced shifts q wide lets give it to him.to the alaea call for the 8 hr australia wide and lets support the perth guys
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Old 10th Jun 2007, 02:47
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I just had a good laugh at the stratergy map screen saver.
The bridge of trust , what a joke!!!

It is a dangerous bridge to cross with that troll M living underneath
waiting to snatch up the unwary

Much safer in pity city!!

Hey DC Money well spent D**KHEAD.
Wonder how much equipment we could have bought
with the money they wasted on that little number.

Hey M no one trusts you because all you have done is lie
to your workforce, the commission and to other departments.

You are a disgrace and more and more people are seeing it
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Old 10th Jun 2007, 05:56
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What a bunch of low life snakes!!!

What a crock of you know what with Murrays letter stating that there was "respectful" discussions held in Perth between them and the ALAEA.

Well now that the company has decided to appeal the AIRC decision,they have lost all resepect now.If I were a Perth LAME,I wouldnt be doing anything to help these knobs.Just go to work,do your work in the 8 hours alloted to you,and then go home.And if they ring you,to fix a break down or for manpower requirements,tell them 'NO',you are not available to do anything except what you are paid to do,within your contractual obligations.Nothing more,and nothing less.

This decision to appeal the ruling just shows how much respect Murray has for Perth Lames and Lames in general.None,zipp,nothing.Thats it.And if you believe that life will get better with him around,think again.He is a head kicker,and a bloody good one at that.You have to give the man credit,he is punching well for his weight,but we Lames will just have to keep punching harder.

I think its time the association calls every port to a mass meeting and ask for a general consensus as to whether we are going to support the Perth boys properly.Its time to tell the company that we are a single entity,and that as LAMEs who work the 12 hr roster,that we now ALL want to work an 8hr roster and IMMEDIATELY.

This is similar to being bashed up in the street.If you saw your mates being bashed,you would naturally run over and get stuck in.Well,how is this any different.Just because Perth is on the other side of the country,doesnt mean they are in another country(although they do act funny sometimes)and that their problem is not our problem.But what is going on over there,will ultimately have an effect on us over here.We have got to be strong about it and ask for the 8 hr roster to apply to all LAMEs,EVERYWHERE.Thats it.And if they say they will lock us out,or sack us enmasse,well let them do it,because where are they going to get all the new LAMES and AMEs from.There are not enough AMEs or apprentices coming out of their time to cover any short fall.And if they think that having 4 jumbos sit on the fence,because there is not enough hangar space in OZ to fix their aircraft,well not having enough AMES/LAMES in the Australian industry should really make people like Geoff and the board really take notice.And if they think they will just mass recruit again overseas,well do you think the Australian government and the public opinion is going to really be best pleased that we are now importing engineers from O/S.Just what QANTAS needs now is more bad publicity like a whole in the head.

Anyway enough ranting,it saddens me that people like GD and MH,in the pursuit of running a successful airline,feel the need to hurt those people within their company more than their opposition.All most people want is to be left to make the right decisions,and have good support from management to help make this a great place to work and feel proud of.Unfortunately they have confused us with uneducated people who like to be pushed around.Well the opposite is true.

Have a good weekend.
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Old 12th Jun 2007, 11:26
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Good luck in the commission tomorrow boys.
A lot rides on it
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Old 14th Jun 2007, 01:42
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How did you perth boys go in the commish yesterday.
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Old 14th Jun 2007, 05:05
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Devil

dont know how the boys went in the commish but just recieved my eba voting slip, marked one for immediate action,lets go back to 8hr ,no higher duties and work to rule i say .forget the upcoming election because its less than a fifty/fifty ,even if rudd wins do you really think much will change. time to stick it to gd ,M and cronnies
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Old 14th Jun 2007, 05:51
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good on ya ali
reminds me of the rush to war in 1914, lets give the kaiser a bloody nose, it will all be over by christmas 1914,
if any of the poor sods were alive in 1917
i wonder did they regret they the rush to total war
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Old 14th Jun 2007, 06:09
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I think they gave him more than a bloody nose if history serves me well
exactly how long would you like to wait for your eba ?
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Old 14th Jun 2007, 06:43
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whats the goal 3% or 5%
3% should be offered without trade offs
5% maybe with trade off
I hear average pay rises are 4% this year 8% in mining
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higher duties and o/t a good place to start. short term pain for hopefully finally some gain
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Old 14th Jun 2007, 12:55
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The commision gave Qf leave to appeal the decision regarding the DMM roster and it remains to be seen what will happen here.
It is a bit unusual with the current co-operation between ACS and the LAME's that they seem to want to persue this appeal.

No agreement has yet been reached regarding any new roster.
Don't sell yourselves short until there is an agreement.
We have only reached this position now because the action to date has been effective.
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