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"i ASSSUME YOU'RE ARE A PILOT?
I NEVER SEE YOU GUYS WORKING ALONE, YOU CAN'T EVEN MAKE IT TO THE AEROPLANE ON TIME WITHOUTHALF THE COMPANY HELPING TO GET YOU THERE."
Huh! As a pilot, I am curious as to what this statement means? I walk through the terminal, and I walk on to the aircraft. Nobody escorts me, nobody pulls any strings for me, I line up at security, just like everyone else. I'm would not despute that there are lots of people helping me get the aircraft away on time, but nobody helps me get to the aircraft. Maybe your words were wrong, but mate, what have you got against pilots?
I NEVER SEE YOU GUYS WORKING ALONE, YOU CAN'T EVEN MAKE IT TO THE AEROPLANE ON TIME WITHOUTHALF THE COMPANY HELPING TO GET YOU THERE."
Huh! As a pilot, I am curious as to what this statement means? I walk through the terminal, and I walk on to the aircraft. Nobody escorts me, nobody pulls any strings for me, I line up at security, just like everyone else. I'm would not despute that there are lots of people helping me get the aircraft away on time, but nobody helps me get to the aircraft. Maybe your words were wrong, but mate, what have you got against pilots?
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Apology
Apology to all, that was my first reply, and not proud of it.
No Sar No details somehow pressed my button with his "Soooo is it a safety issue" , and now all of a sudden he seems to agree that it is ? ? ? ?
In the passed 6 months we have had several serious injuries to engineers working alone on the ramp, it is a very dangerous work environment.
In over 20 years of turnarounds overall I find pilots very ignorant to what goes on b4 they get to the aircraft, hence my comment to No Sars that he must be a pilot. Apologies to all for that comment.
No Sar No details somehow pressed my button with his "Soooo is it a safety issue" , and now all of a sudden he seems to agree that it is ? ? ? ?
In the passed 6 months we have had several serious injuries to engineers working alone on the ramp, it is a very dangerous work environment.
In over 20 years of turnarounds overall I find pilots very ignorant to what goes on b4 they get to the aircraft, hence my comment to No Sars that he must be a pilot. Apologies to all for that comment.
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It's not me that doesn't understand.
The issue IS about safety.
Other posters dragged it into being an industrial dispute.
Others then tried to seperate it into white collar/blue collar debate.
I then put it back on the agenda as being a safety issue.
YOU then took the wrong end of the stick and gave it a good shake.
That is why I said put my post into context.
The issue IS about safety.
Other posters dragged it into being an industrial dispute.
Others then tried to seperate it into white collar/blue collar debate.
I then put it back on the agenda as being a safety issue.
YOU then took the wrong end of the stick and gave it a good shake.
That is why I said put my post into context.
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I dont have a collar let alone a coloured collar, I think its pathetic...
I am a pilot in QF and I really believe there is a problem with idiots srewing their hard workers down to the minimum, No matter what anyone thinks, Engineers are the backbone of QF, yeah I might be a shin bone but hey thats not going to support all the weight?? Engineers are the backbone, lets face it, its a fact. I am very concerned about the dramas with the engineering staff, after all they are what makes QF such a safe airline. I am really concerned when issues such as this come up. PH engineers should voice their right, especially when safety is an issue!
I am a pilot in QF and I really believe there is a problem with idiots srewing their hard workers down to the minimum, No matter what anyone thinks, Engineers are the backbone of QF, yeah I might be a shin bone but hey thats not going to support all the weight?? Engineers are the backbone, lets face it, its a fact. I am very concerned about the dramas with the engineering staff, after all they are what makes QF such a safe airline. I am really concerned when issues such as this come up. PH engineers should voice their right, especially when safety is an issue!
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It's Pathetic
Well said A of A QF Engineering is run by accountants who have no idea about aircraft maintenance. They are all just bean counters who have cut the guts out of engineering.
If there was an alternative MRO in Oz QF would be losing engineers in droves.
We all try to be professional, but nobody gives a sh#t anymore. Morale is thru the floor.
As is the case with most departments we have endured years of EBA's that don't keep up with the CPI, while QF wastes millions on Strategy maps, Part Smart and eQ computer programs which are all dismal failures.
Engineering management have no ideas so they ask the troops to self shaft themselves, and when they refuse you get what has happened in Perth and now Melbourne.
God help us all
If there was an alternative MRO in Oz QF would be losing engineers in droves.
We all try to be professional, but nobody gives a sh#t anymore. Morale is thru the floor.
As is the case with most departments we have endured years of EBA's that don't keep up with the CPI, while QF wastes millions on Strategy maps, Part Smart and eQ computer programs which are all dismal failures.
Engineering management have no ideas so they ask the troops to self shaft themselves, and when they refuse you get what has happened in Perth and now Melbourne.
God help us all
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That's a co incidence!!
Yesterday I got an email from resume.domain who were advertising for "Heavy Jet LAMES" around December 2007.
The reply was:
" Re your application for the Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer roles.
Our client has advised us that at this stage their contract has been postponed indefinately, should these circumstances change we will be sure to be in touch.
Thank you for application and your patience, we trust and hope that you understand that this is beyond our control. "
It looks like QF LAMES get a reprieve until they can concoct their next cost cutting masterplan.
Good luck all!!
Yesterday I got an email from resume.domain who were advertising for "Heavy Jet LAMES" around December 2007.
The reply was:
" Re your application for the Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer roles.
Our client has advised us that at this stage their contract has been postponed indefinately, should these circumstances change we will be sure to be in touch.
Thank you for application and your patience, we trust and hope that you understand that this is beyond our control. "
It looks like QF LAMES get a reprieve until they can concoct their next cost cutting masterplan.
Good luck all!!
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I say give them nothing. Don't negotiate. Let the so called expert management sort everything out. We all know they aren't worth a pinch of 
**** They have no idea and are hopong engineers will sort it out as they always do. It's time they took responsibility for there actions and fall on there swords. If 'M' and 'D.C.' think they can 
fcuk with the engineering grouop they have another thing coming. Will c u
**** They have no idea and are hopong engineers will sort it out as they always do. It's time they took responsibility for there actions and fall on there swords. If 'M' and 'D.C.' think they can fcuk with the engineering grouop they have another thing coming. Will c u
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I have heard about the roster issues going on in Perth and Melbourne and I extend my thanks to the LAMEs there for sticking to their guns. I hope some genuine negotiation will result from your efforts.
Could someone provide further information about the Sydney precinct review? I have not heard about it before.
Thanks
Could someone provide further information about the Sydney precinct review? I have not heard about it before.
Thanks
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Is the QF engineer the only person on duty at the 24 hour airport, surely not.
Are we saying that only another QF engineer contactable by radio can come to assist in case of emergency, surely not.
Why not give the engineer a mobile phone instead of a radio?
There must be a stack of appropriate people to contact in case of emergency, including the 24 hour Rescue Fire Fighting Service.
Jeepers this works in small ports, what is different about Perth?
Seems a no-brainer to me.
Or is it just another attempt to squawk safety during a reform process??????
Are we saying that only another QF engineer contactable by radio can come to assist in case of emergency, surely not.
Why not give the engineer a mobile phone instead of a radio?
There must be a stack of appropriate people to contact in case of emergency, including the 24 hour Rescue Fire Fighting Service.
Jeepers this works in small ports, what is different about Perth?
Seems a no-brainer to me.
Or is it just another attempt to squawk safety during a reform process??????
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Why not give the engineer a mobile phone instead of a radio?
Because any PED (portable electronic device) needs to be intrinsically safe in accordance with Australian safety standards. Mobile phones are not. If you drop one and the battery falls off on the concrete tarmac, a spark could occur igniting fuel vapours which tend to hang around the vents at the end of the wings. This would tend to cause an explosion that could lead to the deaths of hundreds of people.
I thought this would be a no brainer but then again as most managers are now accountants it may be a little difficult to work out.
Are we saying that only another QF engineer contactable by radio can come to assist in case of emergency, surely not.
If an emergency occurs Qantas procedures need to be followed. The procedures are for the DMM to respond to the appropriate emergency service as outlined in his office on emergency response cards. If it is left to anyone to respond then other depts and engineers may just assume that someone else will get it.
I would think it a no brainer that Qantas procedures need to be followed in case of emergency but then again accountants sit in offices. FYI - If you get a paper cut please follow procedure and contact your on duty first aider.
Or is it just another attempt to squawk safety during a reform process??????
It is an attempt to bypass safety during a reform process. A process driven by pen pushers and other odd balls to cut costs and reduce safety. A process driven by a Qantas management team littered with ex Ansett managers applying the same principles that destroyed Ansett. A process that is being rejected by Perth engineers for the benefit of all engineers in Australia and the safety record of the airline but thank you for your perspective. It gives us an insight into the ignorance we are dealing with.
Because any PED (portable electronic device) needs to be intrinsically safe in accordance with Australian safety standards. Mobile phones are not. If you drop one and the battery falls off on the concrete tarmac, a spark could occur igniting fuel vapours which tend to hang around the vents at the end of the wings. This would tend to cause an explosion that could lead to the deaths of hundreds of people.
I thought this would be a no brainer but then again as most managers are now accountants it may be a little difficult to work out.
Are we saying that only another QF engineer contactable by radio can come to assist in case of emergency, surely not.
If an emergency occurs Qantas procedures need to be followed. The procedures are for the DMM to respond to the appropriate emergency service as outlined in his office on emergency response cards. If it is left to anyone to respond then other depts and engineers may just assume that someone else will get it.
I would think it a no brainer that Qantas procedures need to be followed in case of emergency but then again accountants sit in offices. FYI - If you get a paper cut please follow procedure and contact your on duty first aider.
Or is it just another attempt to squawk safety during a reform process??????
It is an attempt to bypass safety during a reform process. A process driven by pen pushers and other odd balls to cut costs and reduce safety. A process driven by a Qantas management team littered with ex Ansett managers applying the same principles that destroyed Ansett. A process that is being rejected by Perth engineers for the benefit of all engineers in Australia and the safety record of the airline but thank you for your perspective. It gives us an insight into the ignorance we are dealing with.
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Thanks MAHAT...
Right to the point. These are the incursions to the safety and work procedures that the "bonus" driven management are slowly feeding into the system. They may sound trivial to the uneducated or ignorant, but where does it stop. Do we wait for the disaster to happen, or ensure the safety of Qantas employees and the flying public is held as a priority. All part of the grand scheme to cheapen Qantas and ensure managment get their bonus, which unfortunately filters right down to the lowest KPI driven office bunny with clipboard and calculator skills. It's GD's favourite message, "You do not meet cost of capital".
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Managers Perspective
It's a bit hard to use a radio or a mobile if your alone, injured ,and unconscious on the tarmac.Hence the need to work in pairs, we wouldn't want an LTI would we, coz safety is our priority.
It is my experience of late that all staff are out of the office and spread thinly around the ramp, even the senior is out of the office just to make things work.
Stick to shuffling papers!
It is my experience of late that all staff are out of the office and spread thinly around the ramp, even the senior is out of the office just to make things work.
Stick to shuffling papers!