Exodus from Skippers (Merged)
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Are they having problems finding someone suitable?
SEEK - Chief Pilot / Flight Operations Manager Job in Perth
SEEK - Chief Pilot / Flight Operations Manager Job in Perth
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havent been round for a while, but didnt IC get the 'no go' for FSM from CASA? seems strange that they would approve CP position
On another note, how long do we think they will hold the coastal routes operating a braz in place of a F50??
On another note, how long do we think they will hold the coastal routes operating a braz in place of a F50??
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B Scale Wages
http://www.fwa.gov.au/documents/agre...a/AE884151.pdf
Pg 50 - does this look like a B Scale to anyone else!!! They would have to be some of the lowest base rates in Aus?
New captains going onto a different rate and only getting a payrise onto the old rate after 4 years, and its not really a pay rise as the base rate remains the same, only the productivity increases. Interesting to read else where that the productivity component can be removed at any time at the discretion of the company in regards to individual employees.
If the new aircraft at Skywest and Network weren't enough of a reason to leave this might be.
Who signed YES to this rubbish?
Pg 50 - does this look like a B Scale to anyone else!!! They would have to be some of the lowest base rates in Aus?
New captains going onto a different rate and only getting a payrise onto the old rate after 4 years, and its not really a pay rise as the base rate remains the same, only the productivity increases. Interesting to read else where that the productivity component can be removed at any time at the discretion of the company in regards to individual employees.
If the new aircraft at Skywest and Network weren't enough of a reason to leave this might be.
Who signed YES to this rubbish?
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Who signed YES to this rubbish?
Aren't Skippers going to start weekend flight soon?? The lifestyle argument has just begun to look very shaky I recon.
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Skippers/Fast Track WA's Truly Regional Airline/ Flight School/Pineapple Distributor
MC about to retire as has made a bucket load from taking money from all these muppets.... (thanks DADDY)
Thanks for you contribution in lowering wages and condition u bunch of winners!
YouTube - Fast Track Pilot Training - Gavin
YouTube - Fast Track Pilot Training - Marcel
YouTube - Fast Track Pilot Training - Shane
YouTube - Fast Track Pilot Training - Sam
there are plenty more great films about these top jocks and their stella careers..
Thanks for you contribution in lowering wages and condition u bunch of winners!
YouTube - Fast Track Pilot Training - Gavin
YouTube - Fast Track Pilot Training - Marcel
YouTube - Fast Track Pilot Training - Shane
YouTube - Fast Track Pilot Training - Sam
there are plenty more great films about these top jocks and their stella careers..
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Biggles, whilst I fully understand/support your frustration with the whole cadet/fast track concept. I think its important to recognise that it is the system that is failing us. These young lads are just doing what the system allows them to do. I don't think we should be giving them individually a hard time. If you work with them like it or not they are your equal and you must treat them as such. Furthermore they are part of your team and its your job to extend your hand.
I'm for GA hard yards through and through having done my share of 15 years of it. I think its the ultimate litmus test for those that want to be a professional aviator. Its a good apprenticeship. I do however accept that not everyone can pack up the car or do what I and others have done. I fly with Captains of my same age that have not even seen a 210 and were fast tracked their whole life. Everything fell into place and they were having hotel parties with hostesses while I was drum refuelling on a remote station. They are excellent operators and top blokes.
Having said all that I resent people/system that are trying to spin dollars and lower conditions via these schemes. They use catch phrases like "train them from day one in our culture" "avoid bad habits picked up in ga". Its total rubbish and Nick Xenophon knows it. I suggest you have a read, if you haven't already, of John Lamings submission to the Senate Inquiry. He sums it up better than anyone.
All the best and good luck to the pilots.
By the way I'm not having a crack at you just thought I'd remind you that were all in it together.
I'm for GA hard yards through and through having done my share of 15 years of it. I think its the ultimate litmus test for those that want to be a professional aviator. Its a good apprenticeship. I do however accept that not everyone can pack up the car or do what I and others have done. I fly with Captains of my same age that have not even seen a 210 and were fast tracked their whole life. Everything fell into place and they were having hotel parties with hostesses while I was drum refuelling on a remote station. They are excellent operators and top blokes.
Having said all that I resent people/system that are trying to spin dollars and lower conditions via these schemes. They use catch phrases like "train them from day one in our culture" "avoid bad habits picked up in ga". Its total rubbish and Nick Xenophon knows it. I suggest you have a read, if you haven't already, of John Lamings submission to the Senate Inquiry. He sums it up better than anyone.
All the best and good luck to the pilots.
By the way I'm not having a crack at you just thought I'd remind you that were all in it together.
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Whilst i can see the point you are making, and for the most of it i would like to think that this is the case in my current place of work. However, I still think you missing the key reason in me pointing out these muppets and MC the massive thief.
Fast Track was set up with the support of MC and various other Skippers employees. It takes money off these idiots (or mummy and daddy ) and whilst it does their training in a timely manner they then somehow get an interview with Skippers.... Give me a break. They get an interview cos the chief and his cronies help set the company up. Skippers then offers them a cadetship and they pay up $55K for a Dash or Braz endo plus extra IFR training (this is ontop of CPL costs!!!). Forgive me for puking in my lounge room. So your are telling me that your're 15 or so years in GA is worth not getting a shot at a chance to progress onto a multi crew turbine from GA all because their numbers are filled because MC likes a bit of extra money on the side.
These muppets have every resource (internet/other pilots etc) available to research and find out the career path a pilot can go down. Because this ( Fast Track) is the easiest option as it saves them from entering the real world, slogging a living in the bush earning hours, gaining invaluable command time and life experience in general. ("its all too hard I choose Fast Track yeah!!) It's very hard leaving mummy and daddy and the big smoke.
So back to my point. Your 15 years in GA is invaluable. But now you have to slot in behind these kids as an F/O and and listen to their BS about their take on life as a "pilot".. again i just spewed in my lounge room.
Also two of the "You Tube" winners were employed up North for all of 2 seconds and life got a bit to tough. So some how decided to use a lazy $55k that was lying around and take away positions from people that have spent quality time up in places like Broome, Kunners, Derby, Halls Creek, Darwin, Maningrida, Alice, Cairns, Horn.. the list goes on. But now everyone may as well tuck in for another year of slogging cos MC needed an extra patio out the back and some people have a lazy $55K lying around and don't like wet season weather
And people wonder why we are having a senate enquiry....
Whilst i can see the point you are making, and for the most of it i would like to think that this is the case in my current place of work. However, I still think you missing the key reason in me pointing out these muppets and MC the massive thief.
Fast Track was set up with the support of MC and various other Skippers employees. It takes money off these idiots (or mummy and daddy ) and whilst it does their training in a timely manner they then somehow get an interview with Skippers.... Give me a break. They get an interview cos the chief and his cronies help set the company up. Skippers then offers them a cadetship and they pay up $55K for a Dash or Braz endo plus extra IFR training (this is ontop of CPL costs!!!). Forgive me for puking in my lounge room. So your are telling me that your're 15 or so years in GA is worth not getting a shot at a chance to progress onto a multi crew turbine from GA all because their numbers are filled because MC likes a bit of extra money on the side.
These muppets have every resource (internet/other pilots etc) available to research and find out the career path a pilot can go down. Because this ( Fast Track) is the easiest option as it saves them from entering the real world, slogging a living in the bush earning hours, gaining invaluable command time and life experience in general. ("its all too hard I choose Fast Track yeah!!) It's very hard leaving mummy and daddy and the big smoke.
So back to my point. Your 15 years in GA is invaluable. But now you have to slot in behind these kids as an F/O and and listen to their BS about their take on life as a "pilot".. again i just spewed in my lounge room.
Also two of the "You Tube" winners were employed up North for all of 2 seconds and life got a bit to tough. So some how decided to use a lazy $55k that was lying around and take away positions from people that have spent quality time up in places like Broome, Kunners, Derby, Halls Creek, Darwin, Maningrida, Alice, Cairns, Horn.. the list goes on. But now everyone may as well tuck in for another year of slogging cos MC needed an extra patio out the back and some people have a lazy $55K lying around and don't like wet season weather
And people wonder why we are having a senate enquiry....
short flights long nights
Knowing what is behind "Fast Track".....Things that Make You Go mmmmm?????
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So SOPS, are you saying that you think that having cadets going through Skippers are going to cause an exodus? I'm not supporting the cadetship here however please explain to me how pilots already at Skippers are going to say "I'm leaving because I don't like the fact that Skippers takes on cadets"? I think the more likely cause would be "I'm over worrying about Skippers taking my productivity bonus and leaving me paid peanuts! Therefore I'm going to leave"
I really don't see how the cadetship relates to an exodus. "Knowing" what is behind Fast Track or otherwise.
I really don't see how the cadetship relates to an exodus. "Knowing" what is behind Fast Track or otherwise.