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Exodus from Skippers (Merged)

Old 1st Aug 2008, 02:24
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Word on the PER apron is 2 more clapped out Dash 8 100's coming soon. Ex Qantaslink apparently. Anyone know anymore? Where are they going to park them, let alone crew them, if it's true????
They are not clapped out machines, they are really brute of a machines -106 powered aircraft with APU's. There are six available which would complely get rid of the EMB-120's.

The idea was to transition to an all Dash 8 fleet [100/300] ASAP, meaning the EMB-120 / Metro 23's are going. Seems that they are going towards it

Cunning move by Skippers, I wish them well
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Old 1st Aug 2008, 03:42
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I thought the crewing on the Braz was the most concrete and stable out of all the fleets. Little different to 12 months ago mind you.

If the RPT is expanding to the point of putting on Dash's instead of the Braz and the mines are still cracking the s##ts about having reduced bums on braz seats in summer then may not be a bad road to go down.

Having said that I still think there is a market for the E120.
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Old 1st Aug 2008, 03:57
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Having said that I still think there is a market for the E120.
Interesting, can you explain further?

When you look at the Dash 8, it really is a trimpuh from that of the EMB-120. By operating one type of fleet instead of several, definate saving you $$$$ with maintenance, crewing etc costs
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Old 1st Aug 2008, 12:45
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Why would Skippers want to part with the Braz? The speed of this aircraft over the standard sector wins hands down over the Dash, the pax and crew love them!

Any news of crew conversions from Braz to Dash?

So why did they advertise over the last few weeks for Braz and Metro crew?

Sounds like a nice rumour to me, no more Dash for this mob!
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Old 2nd Aug 2008, 01:04
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Geetin rid of Braz

Sky star where did you pluck the getting rid of Braz from.
That has never been the case. Why the *&%k would you spend thousands on major C checks and then get rid of them.
Complete rumour pot smoking garbage.

The metro and ole conky well that is a different story
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Old 2nd Aug 2008, 03:24
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Arriving prematurely is quite acceptable for Braz folk I am sure. However, isn't it also important to be able to sit on the throne and peruse the Friday Australian aviation section for a better job without being too cramped?
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Old 4th Aug 2008, 06:05
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Mecarsa, objectively I beg to differ, the routes skippers fly the extra 20-30kts makes a bees dick of a difference ............we're all slowed to 180kts for the home run into perth ATC grrrrr
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Old 4th Aug 2008, 11:00
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Skippers + Alliance = ????

2 x Dash 8-100's have been officially announced as arriving late August and early September respectively.

From the same source, I heard yet another interesting rumour. I look forward to reading the posts from the PPRuNe experts that will discount it!

In the not too distant future, Skippers will be launching a financial interest into Alliance Airlines.

Apparently, it will allow both operators to increase capacity in their respective markets, and will allow Skippers to have a good go at the likes of Network, NJS and Skywest. Alliance will operate an F100 on Skippers behalf out of PER, and/or the east coast to WA minesites, and Skippers will operate lower capacity types on the east coast on behalf of Alliance.

Who knows how much substance there is too this one, but on the surface it makes some sense to me and the people, who, actually work at Skippers and Alliance, that i've discussed it with.
  • SQ is cashed up from a recent business interest sale.
  • Alliance are apparently struggling $$$$ wise
  • Skippers needs to increase capacity to compete with Network, NJS, etc
  • It allows a new type into the skippers fleet, without having to worry about crewing, training, maintenance, etc.
  • Alliance will actually have a base to work from in PER, as opposed to a box in T3 and a tin shed in the Hawker Pacific hangar
  • Skippers will be able to enter the east coast market of QLD with greater ease where FIFO is rapidly growing

So there it is. I'm sure the experts which are the PPRuNe aviation business gurus will hit this for six, but worth having a think about i guess.
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Old 4th Aug 2008, 13:43
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Find it hard to believe that Alliance is having financial difficulties, have you noticed the calibre of their contracts ?.

My money would be on Alliance taking over Skippers, standardising the turbo prop fleet and cutting the culturally challenged dead wood, that I would believe.
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Old 4th Aug 2008, 15:32
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Talking

Hey, makes sense to me. Add a small number of quills to the tail of the F100s and suddenly WAs Truly Regional Airline has jets!



Conversely, take a few quills off and all of a sudden Alliance has a handful of 4 million hour Conquests.
No, really, I'm skeptical but this is a rumour network. I'll sit back and watch with interest. I mean F50s and D8-300s...? And -100s?! AND EMBs!? Sounds like Ansett's perfect fleet.
I'm thinking along the lines of SDT. I find it hard to believe that Alliance are strapped for cash, considering their contracts and the amount of QF Link work they are doing.
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Old 5th Aug 2008, 01:17
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My idea is working well then:

FK100
Dash 8-300
Dash 8-100

& lose Metro 23 / Conquest / EMB-120 -
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Old 5th Aug 2008, 01:33
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And what about the 5 F50s Alliance have just purchased? I can't see them operating to 50 seat types. There were rumours 12-18 months ago that Alliance may have been a bit tight on cash, but since then they have picked up some good contracts (ie QF work) on both the East and West Coast.
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Old 5th Aug 2008, 01:47
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F50's can easily be sold as there is a market for them. However Dash 8-300's you would find have far better 'common' here in Aus re maintenance / parts / pilots and still Bombardier are maufuacturing Dash 8-300's

A split between Dash 8-100 / 300 / Fokker F100 are a nice touch
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Old 5th Aug 2008, 09:41
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"We've purchased all the computer hardware for electronic baggage check-in" (staff newsletter) Trying to combat the morning terminal debacle? Or preparing for F100 type pax numbers?

The Alliance F100 in the hanger the other week was no coincidence nor was it a gesture of goodwill to a "competitor".
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Old 6th Aug 2008, 05:12
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Word is that Terminal staff got a pay rise and are now on more than Braz and Dash FOs! WTF!
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Old 6th Aug 2008, 12:47
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The 5 F50's Alliance operate are 'High' Tqe engines which are not that common. They purchased these 5 for the performance they give out of shorter strips.

Alliance/Flight West don't care about common types otherwise they would not have purchsed the F100. When FWA purchased the F100 other operators were operating or adding to the 146 fleets.
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Old 6th Aug 2008, 13:51
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50 odd G to sit around doing sweet FA, not a bad job if you can get it, heard a few of the F/A's are planning to apply, i might too
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Old 6th Aug 2008, 15:14
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I'll hop to China if the terminal staff are getting paid that much
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Old 6th Aug 2008, 16:05
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Interesting but...

if the rumours are true about a merger then why was one of QQs managers very recently spotted at NW trying to suss out access to their new hangar and F100 GSE ? Plus QQ are going through engies and ops staff at PER like you wouldn't believe (4 ops supervisors and 5 engies in last 6 months ). Hopefully the rumours are true - sometimes a merger is a good excuse for a clean slate.
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Old 7th Aug 2008, 10:41
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Couple years back my father had to make a work trip to Meekatharra. Booking the ticket, I clearly remember it being printed with a flight number of QQxxx. I remember at the time thinking it was odd, as I had thought QQ was an Alliance code, not Skippers. Interesting.
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