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Old 8th Jun 2008, 05:20
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no doubt just another bitter and twisted ex-employee.
No, not an ex employee, but have worked with many ex employees and have them as mates and flatmates. So I guess my comments where from word of mouth, but have I been close enough to it for a long enough to form my own opinion.

All I was suggesting was that there are more p!ssed off (ex) employees then there are content ones. So by all means join the company, but do so informed (by those on both sides of the fence).

I'm glad the beer is flowing for you though flyon. The company needs all the young, dedicated and enthusiastic crew they can get. Well done.....

I do wonder though how long it will last.
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Old 8th Jun 2008, 06:04
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Braz Driver, lets just say I hold the same opinion as you on cadets.
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Old 8th Jun 2008, 06:41
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The 'bashing' of cadets on this thread seems to never end...

Sure, there are some di*head ones there, but most are generally fine and work quite well. There are a couple who are top blokes who can also fly and operate their aircraft to a much higher standard than most non-cadet pilots.

What many people fail to realise is that having say 5000hrs in the logbook actually doesnt mean shitt. Its quality not quantity. That 5000 hrs may very well consist of poor work ethic, bad habits, poor airmanship etc etc and these traits WILL be carried through their logbook for the rest of their careers. Why are these guys still at Skippers if they dont want to be there??

The cadets however learn to operate according to SOPs, are exposed to more complex machines and mutli-crew enviroment from early on in their careers thus making them more suitable for airline operators. Take a look at where some cadets are now going or about to go...places that alot of guys drool over. Good luck to them, some actually deserve it
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Old 8th Jun 2008, 08:44
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Skippers is up for sale. Yes we all know that.
Someone put an offer to the big SQ to buy the joint for the asking price.
SQ TURNED THE OFFER DOWN.

Leave you to guess who put the offer in. If you need a hint, read one of my earlier posts.
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Old 8th Jun 2008, 09:54
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Who in their right mind would offer the asking price for anything as big as a business or property, ahhh the smell of bull excrement.
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Old 8th Jun 2008, 14:44
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The cadets however learn to operate according to SOPs, are exposed to more complex machines and mutli-crew enviroment from early on in their careers thus making them more suitable for airline operators.
you need to get your hand off it - you are actually making it worse by generalising like that.
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Old 8th Jun 2008, 14:59
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Skippers Mole,

No matter what you say (if it's exorbitant-fee-paying cadets you are talking about) they have jumped the queue and they make it harder for the rest of us who do not wish to put up an entire years' salary for the privilege of working... they deserve to be bashed (verbally of course). Any other talk sounds like that of a man who would cross a picket line and take a promotion on the same day.

I digress:

The cadets however ONLY learn to operate according to SOPs, are exposed to more complex machines JUST LIKE EVERY ENDORSED PILOT and ONLY THE mutli-crew enviroment from early on in their careers thus making them NO more suitable for airline operators THAN COMPUTER FLOWN AEROPLANES.
(My emphasis in red.)

Whilst 5,000 hours may be more than what one needs to establish good habits never underestimate the importance of actual command hours in grooming a future decision maker (when the Standard Operating Procedures no longer apply). Having 70 PIC on PPL/CPL trainers and a fancy Dash-8 endo is madness.

FRQ CB

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Old 9th Jun 2008, 01:16
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I bet no one can say who is and who isn't a cadet anyway, you are all just speculating. Why don't some of you put your money where your mouth is and give us an idea of how many paid for their ride. With some of the companies I've worked at the capt's are the ones you need to watch anyway
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Old 9th Jun 2008, 03:33
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All cadets??

Maybe they should all be cadets. It's time the airlines took some responsibility for training replacement pilots, instead of just relying on the huge pool of desperate GA pilots.
The better airlines have done the planning and training required, and have not got caught by the so called "pilot shortage" like the others say they have.
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Old 9th Jun 2008, 11:31
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You can normally tell within about 5-10mins who you're flying with. Lets just say, even a monkey can be taught how to fly. As FRQ CB eluded to, it's the thinking that goes hand in hand that makes the difference - the type of thinking only gained through experience, there's no substitute.
Bazza, skippers mole is a cadet. Skippers mole when you do leave be sure to leave you attitude in the breezeway garbage bin, it won't get you far.
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Old 10th Jun 2008, 13:05
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Only 5-10 minutes to know who you are flying with !! I thought the night before would be a fair indication, are the rosters still changing that frequently ?
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Old 19th Jun 2008, 05:40
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changing of the financial year

i wonder how much the pays are going to change with the new financial year approaching
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Old 19th Jun 2008, 07:39
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It will be inversely proportional to the CPI (Cadet Pilot Influx)
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Old 19th Jun 2008, 16:22
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ok... seriously...

who is left to turn the lights out at skipps?
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 01:46
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The jet rumour has resurfaced - Alliance takeover....
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 02:17
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Mmmm, jet you say ?.


IMHO Alliance being the buyer is plausable, the other way around is fairy dust.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 10:42
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Oo, oo Jet you say....... where do I pay to join up??.
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Old 27th Jun 2008, 02:12
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Heard the ex-CEO is now with Direct Air, sure he'd come with a long list of good contacts.

Also heard a couple current contracted mine sites are having new yellow lines and "F100" painted on their aprons, Hmmmmmm.
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Old 27th Jun 2008, 08:43
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i wonder if the yellow f100 lines out at site have anything to do with the F100 painted up with a blue and gold tail parked in the Skippers hangar today? Any ideas?
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Old 27th Jun 2008, 10:15
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Which of Skippers regular "contracted mine sites" have a SEALED strip then?
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