What a way to serve a market?
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Tassie always has been the thorn in the side of QF.
They have never made money on HB or LT cos they treat these ports with contempt. JQ is no different. If an a/c goes 'tech' ANYWHERE it's always Tassie that suffers.
Engineering "Op's?"
Op's "Go ahead"
Engineering "XYZ is U/S"
Op's "Thanks for that. We'll CX LT/HB and send that to ......."
Lt was always AN and now it's a VB goldmine. Likewise HB. After QF had suffered too much out of LT, they put SAA in there with 146's and J class and it actually started to make money, quite a lot of money.
Anyway after another failed attempt at trying to save face, QF 737's go back to LT AGAIN and that exercise lasted for about 18 months.
Then the master stroke. Let's take the B737 out of there again with its J class and replace it(AGAIN) with a DASH 8. Geee!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that really is looking after your market share
It's only a matter of time until tha ROO with jets all but disappears from the skies of Tassie. The Q400 although a very nice machine will never have the pax appeal of a jet.
QF yield/scheduling have no one to blame but themselves for the p1ss poor reputation they have, and always have had in Tassie.
"You reap what you sew"
They have never made money on HB or LT cos they treat these ports with contempt. JQ is no different. If an a/c goes 'tech' ANYWHERE it's always Tassie that suffers.
Engineering "Op's?"
Op's "Go ahead"
Engineering "XYZ is U/S"
Op's "Thanks for that. We'll CX LT/HB and send that to ......."
Lt was always AN and now it's a VB goldmine. Likewise HB. After QF had suffered too much out of LT, they put SAA in there with 146's and J class and it actually started to make money, quite a lot of money.
Anyway after another failed attempt at trying to save face, QF 737's go back to LT AGAIN and that exercise lasted for about 18 months.
Then the master stroke. Let's take the B737 out of there again with its J class and replace it(AGAIN) with a DASH 8. Geee!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that really is looking after your market share
It's only a matter of time until tha ROO with jets all but disappears from the skies of Tassie. The Q400 although a very nice machine will never have the pax appeal of a jet.
QF yield/scheduling have no one to blame but themselves for the p1ss poor reputation they have, and always have had in Tassie.
"You reap what you sew"
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Wouldn't it just be better for Qantas to use the 717 they have seeing as QantasLink seems to be doing these routes now? Or are they all tied up with FIFO work?
Maybe they have too much capacity but it would seem tomake more sense than using the Q400.
Does Virgin still frequent this route?
Maybe they have too much capacity but it would seem tomake more sense than using the Q400.
Does Virgin still frequent this route?
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Does Virgin still frequent this route?
Despite an increasing trend, JQ have dropped 3 weekly HB-AD (they don't do the route anymore - unprofitable appareantly, but DJ seem to do nicely with their daily year round service!), a weekly HB-BN, 3 weekly HB-SY and 2 weekly HB-ML from the same time last year (and last year there were no extra flights for peak season). So any wonder there are zero seats remaining when they were full last year and now we have 3440 fewer seats per week!
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So if they are getting good numbers on the route, why do they keep dropping services? What large expenses can there be flying to Tassie? Must be something there that I don't see......
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Well folks, I hate to be the bearer of sad tidings, but there aint nothin new in the zoo here.
As long as I can remember the Tassie Christmas situation has been this way - rock solid in before 25DEC and rock solid out from 26 December onwards.
An airline Shambles Planner that schedules extra capacity in over such a period where the aeroplane will most likely return with a very low load factor should be dragged out of their chair and given a severe thacking.
This is one of the few times of the year when Airlines can actually make a decent living out of servicing Tasmania which accounts for around 3% of the overall Australian domestic market. We should be glad that we get a service at all.
The loads into/out of HBA will tend to heavy southbound up to New Years and then heavy outbound thereafter, caused by the extra traffic generated by the Sydney Hobart yacht race and associated events around Constipation Dock such as the "Taste of Tasmania" festival etc.
The pattern is repeated on the DPO and BWT routes as well. This has been the same every year since Viscounts roamed the earth and I dare say will be the same for years to come.
Basically, we choose to live on a rock in the Southern Ocean and as such must put up with the peaks in transport demand.
Oh - and williamOK - the loads may be good, but the yield for most of the year sucks badly.
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As long as I can remember the Tassie Christmas situation has been this way - rock solid in before 25DEC and rock solid out from 26 December onwards.
An airline Shambles Planner that schedules extra capacity in over such a period where the aeroplane will most likely return with a very low load factor should be dragged out of their chair and given a severe thacking.
This is one of the few times of the year when Airlines can actually make a decent living out of servicing Tasmania which accounts for around 3% of the overall Australian domestic market. We should be glad that we get a service at all.
The loads into/out of HBA will tend to heavy southbound up to New Years and then heavy outbound thereafter, caused by the extra traffic generated by the Sydney Hobart yacht race and associated events around Constipation Dock such as the "Taste of Tasmania" festival etc.
The pattern is repeated on the DPO and BWT routes as well. This has been the same every year since Viscounts roamed the earth and I dare say will be the same for years to come.
Basically, we choose to live on a rock in the Southern Ocean and as such must put up with the peaks in transport demand.
Oh - and williamOK - the loads may be good, but the yield for most of the year sucks badly.
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The lot Pete.
ZL Ratlink QF mainline DJ and JQ.
Generally the amount of high yield passengers as an overall percentage of the load who choose to buy a fully flexible fare is much lower than say a MEL SYD or SYD BNE type run.
Even with the last seats going at top fare Southbound at time of the year like now, you still would be hard pressed to fund the lighter/lower yielding load on the return leg if you threw more aeroplanes/capacity at the place.
Any spare capacity would be more profitable thrown at trunk routes with proven 2 directional demand.
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ZL Ratlink QF mainline DJ and JQ.
Generally the amount of high yield passengers as an overall percentage of the load who choose to buy a fully flexible fare is much lower than say a MEL SYD or SYD BNE type run.
Even with the last seats going at top fare Southbound at time of the year like now, you still would be hard pressed to fund the lighter/lower yielding load on the return leg if you threw more aeroplanes/capacity at the place.
Any spare capacity would be more profitable thrown at trunk routes with proven 2 directional demand.
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This constant Hobart has no yield banter is just rubbish.
The fact is, DJ have an operating cost of $0.08 per km. On a Hobart-Melbourne service (618km), using a 737-800 (177 seats), even if every seat was sold at the cheapest Blue Saver fare ($89), the aircraft would only need to be 55.6% full to be making a profit. Average loads for the year are over 80%, and closer to 90% at this time of year.
Saying that the last few seats were sold at top fare is rubbish too. Fully Flexible is all that has been available for months, and they've sold them all! They even had to add connecting flights MEL-ADL-HBA because there were zero seats left - that's right - all Fully Flexible sold. You can't ask for more than that! You only need to sell 34 Fully Flexible Fares ($259) to be making a profit, and they would have done that easily without the remaining Flexi Savers and Blue Savers.
Having one direction at 100% load factor for days on end hampers loads in the other direction. Tasmanians wanting to goto the mainland for a few days can't, becuase there is no way for them to get back, so they don't make the trip in the first place!!!
The fact is, DJ have an operating cost of $0.08 per km. On a Hobart-Melbourne service (618km), using a 737-800 (177 seats), even if every seat was sold at the cheapest Blue Saver fare ($89), the aircraft would only need to be 55.6% full to be making a profit. Average loads for the year are over 80%, and closer to 90% at this time of year.
Saying that the last few seats were sold at top fare is rubbish too. Fully Flexible is all that has been available for months, and they've sold them all! They even had to add connecting flights MEL-ADL-HBA because there were zero seats left - that's right - all Fully Flexible sold. You can't ask for more than that! You only need to sell 34 Fully Flexible Fares ($259) to be making a profit, and they would have done that easily without the remaining Flexi Savers and Blue Savers.
Having one direction at 100% load factor for days on end hampers loads in the other direction. Tasmanians wanting to goto the mainland for a few days can't, becuase there is no way for them to get back, so they don't make the trip in the first place!!!
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I flew home on the 1835-2015 SYD-LST DJ flight last night, it was a 737-800 and was chock-a-block. Nice to see everyone piling off into the airport. We did a beautiful big turn right over the airport after flying in over north-east Tassie. What a beautiful thing. There's nothing like the Tassie air.
The fact is, DJ have an operating cost of $0.08 per km. On a Hobart-Melbourne service (618km), using a 737-800 (177 seats), even if every seat was sold at the cheapest Blue Saver fare ($89), the aircraft would only need to be 55.6% full to be making a profit.
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Quick Check-in is the key
A prediction:
Any Qantas terminal that doesnt currently have Qantas Quick-Check terminals installed,with the possible exception of DRW,will not be served by Qantas Mainline flights within a couple of years.
They have only invested in the technology in terminals that will have Mainline services,and havent bothered with the terminals that will only have Q Link and/or J* serving them in the future.
Any Qantas terminal that doesnt currently have Qantas Quick-Check terminals installed,with the possible exception of DRW,will not be served by Qantas Mainline flights within a couple of years.
They have only invested in the technology in terminals that will have Mainline services,and havent bothered with the terminals that will only have Q Link and/or J* serving them in the future.
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Actually, Hobay, this "constant Hobart has no yield banter" is not rubbish. The operating cost figures you quote are for DJ - a LCC. Mainline's operating costs are obviously more than this (significantly more as Dixon keeps telling us).
Tassie always has been the thorn in the side of QF.
They have never made money on HB or LT cos they treat these ports with contempt. JQ is no different. If an a/c goes 'tech' ANYWHERE it's always Tassie that suffers.
Engineering "Op's?"
Op's "Go ahead"
Engineering "XYZ is U/S"
Op's "Thanks for that. We'll CX LT/HB and send that to ......."
Lt was always AN and now it's a VB goldmine. Likewise HB.
They have never made money on HB or LT cos they treat these ports with contempt. JQ is no different. If an a/c goes 'tech' ANYWHERE it's always Tassie that suffers.
Engineering "Op's?"
Op's "Go ahead"
Engineering "XYZ is U/S"
Op's "Thanks for that. We'll CX LT/HB and send that to ......."
Lt was always AN and now it's a VB goldmine. Likewise HB.
Buckshot, your argument is simply music to my ears!
With only two flights a day, the capacity to recoup yield off J seats is significantly reduced.
hardly the high yield pax you get on City Flyer routes.
Add to this the fact that you lose revenue seats to the FF program and international connecting fares which provide little or no revenue for the domestic leg.
WilliamOK,
So if they are getting good numbers on the route, why do they keep dropping services?
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Because Parliament's in recess, so the lobbyists and their J-class clients don't need to keep trooping down there to ingratiate themselves?
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A prediction:
Any Qantas terminal that doesnt currently have Qantas Quick-Check terminals installed,with the possible exception of DRW,will not be served by Qantas Mainline flights within a couple of years.
Any Qantas terminal that doesnt currently have Qantas Quick-Check terminals installed,with the possible exception of DRW,will not be served by Qantas Mainline flights within a couple of years.
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I understand that QF is ready to install kiosks in ADL, but is in negotiation (read disagreement) with AAL over the location of them.
QF naturally wants its kiosks in proximity to its check in counters, whereas AAL want them all in a row, nex to VB
QF naturally wants its kiosks in proximity to its check in counters, whereas AAL want them all in a row, nex to VB
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Re the 'Quick Check' kiosks installation yet to happen in places like Darwin. It was my understanding that as each kiosk costs about $25K to install the airline was going to see how internet check took off first.
Why would management want to shell out that amount of money when the punters can do it for free on their own computer for nothing.
Mind you Quick Check is a bit of an oxymoron as it takes longer to check at one of those vs using a real person then if you've got baggage you've still got to line up to drop off your bag and that exercise takes the same time as doing the whole check-in process with a check-in agent.
Why would management want to shell out that amount of money when the punters can do it for free on their own computer for nothing.
Mind you Quick Check is a bit of an oxymoron as it takes longer to check at one of those vs using a real person then if you've got baggage you've still got to line up to drop off your bag and that exercise takes the same time as doing the whole check-in process with a check-in agent.
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That's true. I went through the Virgin Check-in at Melbourne recently and luckily my flight was late, as it took longer than usual to check in (I was on a tight schedule anyway.)
It was slow and cumbersome to use, and sort of stupid, it's easy to make mistakes on them and then you have to go through and do it with an actual person anyway, I learnt last time I flew Qantas.
It was slow and cumbersome to use, and sort of stupid, it's easy to make mistakes on them and then you have to go through and do it with an actual person anyway, I learnt last time I flew Qantas.
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When will they ever learn?
Hobart a no-fly zone Travel - The Mercury - The Voice of Tasmania
And JQ will be dropping a further 3 per week each direction off HBA-MEL from the end of October, as they need the aircraft for MEL-DRW in the wet season, when no-one goes there????
Hobart a no-fly zone Travel - The Mercury - The Voice of Tasmania
And JQ will be dropping a further 3 per week each direction off HBA-MEL from the end of October, as they need the aircraft for MEL-DRW in the wet season, when no-one goes there????
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