Jetstar International Losing Pilots Already?
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Jetstar International Losing Pilots Already?
Can anyone confirm that JI have just lost seven of the newly recruited pilots to Korean? Apparently Korean are offering two weeks on then two off with all commuting expenses paid.
Don't know about J* losses but...
Have heard from CX crewroom notice about an offer of 3-weeks-on/2-off with GUARANTEED 1st-class paxing from/to home port; and all for A$30K/month for Captains. Still need the confirmation of real evidence though... Interesting nonetheless.
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What?...leave Jetstar International?????!!! But they fly brand new A330's and they have the JPC looking after them? How can anybody leave JI? The most dynamic company in the Southern hemisphere!!..
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Not at CX. Wish it was but that is just a fanciful story. Pay only goes down here, not up and certainly not up for new joiners. It sounds more like the rumour going round of what Korean Air is offering except even they aren’t that good with the pay. From what I understand it is more like US$14000.00 per month tax free with guaranteed first class travel back to Australia. I’ve only heard this second hand though and I can’t substantiate it.
Have heard from CX crewroom notice about an offer of 3-weeks-on/2-off with GUARANTEED 1st-class paxing from/to home port; and all for A$30K/month for Captains.
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US$10,100 per month net (after Korean tax paid by RAL)
During the training period the monthly salary payment will be:
US$7,400 per month (after Korean tax paid by RAL)
This is a cut'n'paste directly from the Rishworth contract. Not quite 30k/mth.
US$10,100 per month net (after Korean tax paid by RAL)
During the training period the monthly salary payment will be:
US$7,400 per month (after Korean tax paid by RAL)
This is a cut'n'paste directly from the Rishworth contract. Not quite 30k/mth.
US$10 000 = A$13 000, If that's in hand plus allowances and accommodation whilst in Korea, not a bad deal. Just make sure you set things up with your accountant before you leave, to avoid falling foul of the tax laws re residence. I heard some Australian pilots flying for Korean Air get to spend more time in Oz than QF long haul pilots.
I believe that the Korean accommodation is a hotel room, nothing more. Be very careful if you claim non-residency with this type of accommodation, especially with your family living in Australia.
What would it matter anyway?
Two things that Australian pilots have done since the advent of Virgin Blue- they have taken away the two most important supply & demand factors.
1) Attrition. If you are expensive to replace, they will pay to keep you.However, J* & VB pilots have paid for their training so they are inexpensive to replace.Hence, attrition means little!
2) Experience. If airlines get away without relying on experience, it opens the gene pool to all and sundry. If an airline such as Virgin Blue or J*, go through expansion phases, and get away with upgrading inexperienced pilots relatively quickly, it won't auger well for remuneration.
Consider this with point one and anecdotal evidence of the standards at Australian LCC's, and you have the parlous state of affairs for pilots in Oz!
Qantas pilots will deliver this one on a platter to the taxman- and why wouldn't they?
Two things that Australian pilots have done since the advent of Virgin Blue- they have taken away the two most important supply & demand factors.
1) Attrition. If you are expensive to replace, they will pay to keep you.However, J* & VB pilots have paid for their training so they are inexpensive to replace.Hence, attrition means little!
2) Experience. If airlines get away without relying on experience, it opens the gene pool to all and sundry. If an airline such as Virgin Blue or J*, go through expansion phases, and get away with upgrading inexperienced pilots relatively quickly, it won't auger well for remuneration.
Consider this with point one and anecdotal evidence of the standards at Australian LCC's, and you have the parlous state of affairs for pilots in Oz!
Qantas pilots will deliver this one on a platter to the taxman- and why wouldn't they?
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Oh, let us all face east to Coward Street and pay hommage to the Skygods 5 times a day. Forgive me Skygod for coming to your table and drinking the same water and flying in the same airspace as you, gracious Skygod...............................W*NK3R
Gnadenberg,
My mother taught me when I was a child to not worship false idols. Suggest you take that advice and stop playing with that naked image in the mirror on those lonely overnights.
Gnadenberg,
My mother taught me when I was a child to not worship false idols. Suggest you take that advice and stop playing with that naked image in the mirror on those lonely overnights.
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Gnadenburg
I don’t work for a LCC and never will on principle but comments like that are plain stupid, ill-informed and false and do absolutely nothing to help you and the rest of the industry unite to improve conditions for all. Some on this forum on both sides need a reality check. How the hell do you think things have got so bad in Australia? It’s because management uses divide and conquer to push down conditions and comments like that are playing straight into their hands. Stop the “HE” man attitudes and start engaging your LCC brethren and vv because if you don’t it’s all over Red Rover. Game set and match to airline management.
Rant over.
Consider this with point one and anecdotal evidence of the standards at Australian LCC's, and you have the parlous state of affairs for pilots in Oz!
Rant over.
alidad
You must be from a low cost gene pool with an outburst like that. Debate the issue and give up on the 'gay like' outbursts. I don't work for QF- yet every second post I make I get labelled a QF tosser ( they must be good blokes ).
But, if I were a QF pilot, with J* pilots using their reduced conditions of service merely as a means to progress to the contract world, I would present their heads on a platter to the ATO ( Australian Taxation Office ).
Especially, in the case of former J* pilots number crunching packages without factoring in Australian taxation. Why should someone undercut you and then become a tax evader to make ends meet?
You must be from a low cost gene pool with an outburst like that. Debate the issue and give up on the 'gay like' outbursts. I don't work for QF- yet every second post I make I get labelled a QF tosser ( they must be good blokes ).
But, if I were a QF pilot, with J* pilots using their reduced conditions of service merely as a means to progress to the contract world, I would present their heads on a platter to the ATO ( Australian Taxation Office ).
Especially, in the case of former J* pilots number crunching packages without factoring in Australian taxation. Why should someone undercut you and then become a tax evader to make ends meet?
Yes it was a rant 404.
And my point reference the standards at LCC's was systemic- and not pointed toward the individual! The money LCC's invest in TRG would be significantly less than QF say.
Lucky for you BTW, you have the English, Star Chamber, high failure rates etc. If you had the LCC philosphy & training structure of Virgin Blue or J*, I doubt you would be getting your 30K a month package at CX.
And my point reference the standards at LCC's was systemic- and not pointed toward the individual! The money LCC's invest in TRG would be significantly less than QF say.
Lucky for you BTW, you have the English, Star Chamber, high failure rates etc. If you had the LCC philosphy & training structure of Virgin Blue or J*, I doubt you would be getting your 30K a month package at CX.
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US$10 000 = A$13 000, If that's in hand plus allowances and accommodation whilst in Korea, not a bad deal. Just make sure you set things up with your accountant before you leave, to avoid falling foul of the tax laws re residence. I heard some Australian pilots flying for Korean Air get to spend more time in Oz than QF long haul pilots.
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Oh, let us all face east to Coward Street and pay hommage to the Skygods 5 times a day. Forgive me Skygod for coming to your table and drinking the same water and flying in the same airspace as you, gracious Skygod...............................W*NK3R
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My mother taught me when I was a child to not worship false idols. Suggest you take that advice and stop playing with that naked image in the mirror on those lonely overnights.
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Gardenburglar,
Please, for all our benefit, show us an industry in Australia that is not trying their damnest to become "low cost"
Same old story. Dont blame the staff. Blame our wonderful Govenment.
Oh and before you get up on your "best pilot in the world" highhorse, please understand that the rest of the pilot world has been waiting very patiently for you lot to finally make a stand against the rodents nibbling at everyones raft. The really sad thing is, now that the rodents have finished the raft and are now nibbling at your own precious RMW boots you are still sitting there with a "roo in the headlight" gaze doing f&*kall about it!
You blokes were too good for everyone else during "that event" so lay in the bed you made!
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Please, for all our benefit, show us an industry in Australia that is not trying their damnest to become "low cost"
Same old story. Dont blame the staff. Blame our wonderful Govenment.
Oh and before you get up on your "best pilot in the world" highhorse, please understand that the rest of the pilot world has been waiting very patiently for you lot to finally make a stand against the rodents nibbling at everyones raft. The really sad thing is, now that the rodents have finished the raft and are now nibbling at your own precious RMW boots you are still sitting there with a "roo in the headlight" gaze doing f&*kall about it!
You blokes were too good for everyone else during "that event" so lay in the bed you made!
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