Jetstar's march continues
yep you've got to love how the spin doctors in PR work it, like this new revolution of nver-seen-before cheap airfares and people like Alan Joyce coming out with this crap how it's so affordable people who made 1 overseas holiday a year are now all of a sudden making 2 or 3 because ut's just sooo cheap! When in reality it's just the same if not more expensive than the competition and you get **** service thrown in!
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The bottom line is this..
The pay and conditions for employees are decreasing..
The service the punter receives is decreasing....
The product is decreasing.....
However the only that is not decreasing is the pay and conditions of the board....
However if you believe all the spin we are all winning ...
The pay and conditions for employees are decreasing..
The service the punter receives is decreasing....
The product is decreasing.....
However the only that is not decreasing is the pay and conditions of the board....
However if you believe all the spin we are all winning ...
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As someone who does not work in the industry(I generally hang out in passengers and self loading freight),may I offer a few points.I have flown with just about every carrier for domestic business travel and I have to say that choosing a low cost carrier like Jet*,V Blue etc is fine for short haul flights of around an hours actual flying time,eg,MEl-HBA,MEL-SYD,etc,in this situation the lack of pillows,having to pay for coffee etc are more than made up for in lower ticket cost,and if I pay an extra $30.00 on V Blue I get a front row seat which on Qantas business class would cost a heap more.Having said that on a long haul flight (which I have yet to undertake) I would not choose Jet* or Pacific Blue or any LCC.If I am going to be sitting in a metal tube for anything up to 24 hours (or longer) I expect a level of service and I am prepared to pay for itI can envisage a time in the future when Qantas tries to shift all economy class pax to Jet*with crews based overseas,low fares,low service,low cost to provide the service.and Qantas management get the bonus that the crew deserve.
Another interesting point to note is that you get accredited Freq Flyer points the same as if you were flying QF business class, when flying star class!!
So much for a seperate entity......
So much for a seperate entity......
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Guys, you are missing the point..Jetstar are fantastic, they operate brand new A330's and they have the best inflight service...coupled with that, the crews there love it..morale is fantastic and the company is expanding beyond belief...to add, they have a great union that do all they can to ensure the crews get paid what they deserve.
exactly Conrad, and they have these beaut tv ads that get you all warm and fuzzy and keep reminding us all how lucky we are to have this new int'l carrier with these super cheap fares, available EVERY DAY!!!
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Coupled with that topend...Jetstar is such a great career path, I mean, why would you look at Japan and EK and Cathay when you can fly a silver and orange brand new A330 around the skies to places like Bali? Guys, we all need to stop being negative about our Jetstar bretheren, they have it all. We should recognise that...they are the new sky gods.
We have to assume they are the new sky gods because as longjohn pointed out in the thread re a QF 747 scraping an engine on landing...longjohn correctly reminded us that Jetstar havent had any scrapes..now, we can all learn from Jetstar's impeccable safety record...we should be holding them up as the beacon of safety, employee relations and unions fighting for great pilot conditions.
And we all have to listen very intently on what cunninglinguist says..he's come from the lowest paid jet job in Australia to where the pay and conditions at Jetstar are superior...so he's a valuable wellspring of advice on career transitions...
We have to assume they are the new sky gods because as longjohn pointed out in the thread re a QF 747 scraping an engine on landing...longjohn correctly reminded us that Jetstar havent had any scrapes..now, we can all learn from Jetstar's impeccable safety record...we should be holding them up as the beacon of safety, employee relations and unions fighting for great pilot conditions.
And we all have to listen very intently on what cunninglinguist says..he's come from the lowest paid jet job in Australia to where the pay and conditions at Jetstar are superior...so he's a valuable wellspring of advice on career transitions...
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But at what price...? And at the end of the day, once they have a command - then what...? 
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Then what....
Then pay and conditions improve or you leave... Lots of Commander jobs in Asia for A330 drivers which pay well over $11K US with minimal tax.
The water is still very very muddy, JD continues to hold several cards very close.
Then pay and conditions improve or you leave... Lots of Commander jobs in Asia for A330 drivers which pay well over $11K US with minimal tax.
The water is still very very muddy, JD continues to hold several cards very close.
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So, in veiw of that, I guess you leave. Sort of flys in the face of working for Jetstar so you can live in Australia.
Each to there own, I guess. But the excusses are drying up. Good luck to all.
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For as long as I can remember, most QF pilots have been loud and proud supporters of the federal liberal/national coalition.
Ironic, then, that legislation enacted by the present government undeniably poses the single biggest threat to the remuneration levels and employment conditions of QF technical crew, compared with anything else that has occurred since 1966.
Be careful what you wish (and vote) for.
Ironic, then, that legislation enacted by the present government undeniably poses the single biggest threat to the remuneration levels and employment conditions of QF technical crew, compared with anything else that has occurred since 1966.
Be careful what you wish (and vote) for.
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For as long as I can remember, most QF pilots have been loud and proud supporters of the federal liberal/national coalition.
Ironic, then, that legislation enacted by the present government undeniably poses the single biggest threat to the remuneration levels and employment conditions of QF technical crew, than anything else that has occurred since 1966.
Be careful what you wish (and vote) for.
Ironic, then, that legislation enacted by the present government undeniably poses the single biggest threat to the remuneration levels and employment conditions of QF technical crew, than anything else that has occurred since 1966.
Be careful what you wish (and vote) for.
.I'd always thought that it was the socialists who drive economies to the bottom, looking for the lowest common denominator. I guess another way is to simply kick the legs out from under everyone who's holding the place up.
(... and this from a North Shore, GPS boy!!!)
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Sorry JD,
I should have said GD.... OOOPs
All the same I damb well hope you boys have a few up you sleave
Never actually thought
T&C would improve... actually still believe J* will be spun off but that's another story.... GoFly - and the boss takes the gold again.
....JD continues to hold several cards very close.
All the same I damb well hope you boys have a few up you sleave
Never actually thought
Then pay and conditions improve or you leave...
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BA sold Go because they needed the cash. Go was making money and was therefore an attractive sale option; I suspect that had BA not had a pressing need for the dough, they would've hung onto it (as they've then tried to do other lo-co ops under different guises); my point being that the parallel is not quite the same (as Qantas has plenty of cash).
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Did you say "never actually thought T&C would improve"? Bit of a problem with the formating of your last post. What has Jetstar being spun off got to do with it?
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I like the absolute BS that is used in the J* international Ads on TV over the last few days.
The part about you only pay for what you use is a pearl of a line...
As well as the one which says :At a fraction of the cost of other ailine tickets"...
It has been shown here on a number of occassions that the last line about a fraction of the cost is a load of rubbish and is almost fraudulent.
I also like the bit about yobbos on the beach which I suppose is meant to be Thailand who would /could never have afforded to do so before...and the ones who said they brought their own food.
These ads are about as truthful and accurate as the ones that we see from the political parties leading up to an election.
The part about you only pay for what you use is a pearl of a line...
As well as the one which says :At a fraction of the cost of other ailine tickets"...
It has been shown here on a number of occassions that the last line about a fraction of the cost is a load of rubbish and is almost fraudulent.
I also like the bit about yobbos on the beach which I suppose is meant to be Thailand who would /could never have afforded to do so before...and the ones who said they brought their own food.
These ads are about as truthful and accurate as the ones that we see from the political parties leading up to an election.
