NJS B717s
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A colleague of mine that works at Jet* recently received an e-mail from a Spanair pilot representative advising that Spanair were negotiating with Qantas for the acquisition of 14 B717 aircraft and wished to negotiate pay rates and conditions to introduce this type. Spanair is allegedly a spanish operator. it was a request for any information regarding the disposition of the existing B717 fleet in Australia and the likelihood of the aircraft leaving Oz soon.
I don't know the outcome or other portent of the negotiations but it was an interesting slant.
I don't know the outcome or other portent of the negotiations but it was an interesting slant.
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Plot thickens
We heard a wif of this a little while back about the same time as the TEAL 320 thing happened. It has a bit more to do with QF QCC playing games and shafting (sorry lowering their cost base liabilities) and getting out of all 717 ops in one go. Maybe it has been spured by the Jungle Jet announcement.
Spanair Link have got four 717s (l/n 59-61 & 66) and Big brother Spanair have another 30 odd MD-80/87 and are majority owned by the SAS group.
Two were leased out to Germanwings for a while and LH were relatively happy with performance however they were not happy with the weight and cost in comparison to other top end RJs emerging at the time.
If it happens they would probably make sense as Spanair Link have a lower cost base to mainline now where have we heard that before ..
Spanair Link have got four 717s (l/n 59-61 & 66) and Big brother Spanair have another 30 odd MD-80/87 and are majority owned by the SAS group.
Two were leased out to Germanwings for a while and LH were relatively happy with performance however they were not happy with the weight and cost in comparison to other top end RJs emerging at the time.
If it happens they would probably make sense as Spanair Link have a lower cost base to mainline now where have we heard that before ..
I believe that Spanair/Link wanted (just) the 6 in BNE but Qantas and the lessor d1cked about so much with the deal it all fell through. 
But why are they still there ........ why hasnt the lessor taken them back?
The 717 is a great aircraft, I hope they do not leave our shores.
But why are they still there ........ why hasnt the lessor taken them back?
The 717 is a great aircraft, I hope they do not leave our shores.
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The end of the world as we know it
BLOGGSY.....I dont believe it "The 717 is equal to or better than the 146", I think that I shall faint. The sun will now rise in the West and set in the East.
Well Kabong, I must admit I was a bit surprised myself. But given the size of the hair dryers hanging on the back of the 717... If I knew you, I'd show you the charts to prove it, but since I don't I won't! 
BTW. When the domestics ordered the B727-100 in the early 60's and DC9-30 in the early 70's the alternatives were the Caravelle/Trident and the BAC-111
Bags left behind on today's 73H flight BME-PER.
43° in BME?? Gross! And that's without Daylight Saving!
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.......don't think njs will get too many more 717 drivers after they read the latest company horizons.here is a small sample the 717 and 146 drivers and new staff can expect...............
B717 pilots now & future:
a 5 year AWA for Pilots with a Net 2% pa (ie 10% over 5 years) cost outcome measured against the current AWA.
50% training cost refunded as planned for the original B717 crews.
the requirement for new or upgrading NJAS B717 crews to fund 50% of endorsement/training costs through salary sacrifice over 3 years (not repaid but not required to be paid up front to avoid individuals needing cash up front).
all new positions for an increased B717 fleet requiring employees to be on a new AWA incorporating the provisions noted above.
new staff being offered an AWA wage at 80% yr1, 85% yr2, 90% yr3, 95% yr4, 100% yr5 (compared to salary in the new AWA)
new staff wage growth over 5 years will be linked to productivity.
new staff 717 crews fund 50% of endorsement /training through salary sacrifice over 3 years (not repaid but not required to be paid up front to avoid individuals needing cash up front).
bond to apply to voluntary training to the value of the total cost.
eligibility for new AWA B717 staff to have access to Qantas worldwide network travel discounts after 12 months or service subject to finalisation.
BAe 146 pilots now & future:
a 3 or 5 year AWA with a Net 2% cost pa outcome (ie 6% over 3 years) measured against current AWA remuneration.
the requirement for new or upgrading NJRS BAe146 crews to fund 50% of endorsement/training costs through salary sacrifice over 3 years (not repaid but not required to be paid up front to avoid individuals needing cash up front).
new pilots fund 50% of endorsement /training through salary sacrifice over 3 years (not repaid but not required to be paid up front to avoid individuals needing cash up front).
new BAe 146 pilots being offered an AWA wage at 80% yr1, 82.5% yr2, 85% yr3, 87.5% yr4, 90% yr5 (compared to new AWA structure)
wage growth over 5 years to 90% will be linked to productivity (flight hours pa).
bond to apply to all voluntary training to the value of the total cost of the training & development investment.
............that's the bad news, good news is overseas airlines are preparing to up the T&Cs because of an acute shortage of pilots.is geoff dixon running njs too?
B717 pilots now & future:
a 5 year AWA for Pilots with a Net 2% pa (ie 10% over 5 years) cost outcome measured against the current AWA.
50% training cost refunded as planned for the original B717 crews.
the requirement for new or upgrading NJAS B717 crews to fund 50% of endorsement/training costs through salary sacrifice over 3 years (not repaid but not required to be paid up front to avoid individuals needing cash up front).
all new positions for an increased B717 fleet requiring employees to be on a new AWA incorporating the provisions noted above.
new staff being offered an AWA wage at 80% yr1, 85% yr2, 90% yr3, 95% yr4, 100% yr5 (compared to salary in the new AWA)
new staff wage growth over 5 years will be linked to productivity.
new staff 717 crews fund 50% of endorsement /training through salary sacrifice over 3 years (not repaid but not required to be paid up front to avoid individuals needing cash up front).
bond to apply to voluntary training to the value of the total cost.
eligibility for new AWA B717 staff to have access to Qantas worldwide network travel discounts after 12 months or service subject to finalisation.
BAe 146 pilots now & future:
a 3 or 5 year AWA with a Net 2% cost pa outcome (ie 6% over 3 years) measured against current AWA remuneration.
the requirement for new or upgrading NJRS BAe146 crews to fund 50% of endorsement/training costs through salary sacrifice over 3 years (not repaid but not required to be paid up front to avoid individuals needing cash up front).
new pilots fund 50% of endorsement /training through salary sacrifice over 3 years (not repaid but not required to be paid up front to avoid individuals needing cash up front).
new BAe 146 pilots being offered an AWA wage at 80% yr1, 82.5% yr2, 85% yr3, 87.5% yr4, 90% yr5 (compared to new AWA structure)
wage growth over 5 years to 90% will be linked to productivity (flight hours pa).
bond to apply to all voluntary training to the value of the total cost of the training & development investment.
............that's the bad news, good news is overseas airlines are preparing to up the T&Cs because of an acute shortage of pilots.is geoff dixon running njs too?
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sorry to be a pessamist................" 2 % pay rise over 5 years "
Read: " 1.5-2% pay cut " over the next 5 years.
I did hear the ID90 carrot dangled, that means you can get same price as Red E deals with the proviso you book at least 7 days in advance and there is a spare seat that nobody else in the QF group wants....................nice one PN
Where are ya Pete, surley you can put a spin on this to make Jet* look bad
Read: " 1.5-2% pay cut " over the next 5 years.
I did hear the ID90 carrot dangled, that means you can get same price as Red E deals with the proviso you book at least 7 days in advance and there is a spare seat that nobody else in the QF group wants....................nice one PN
Where are ya Pete, surley you can put a spin on this to make Jet* look bad
