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Old 12th Aug 2006, 02:41
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The crusades weren't a Sunday barbeque...
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 02:45
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The mussies have got the Airbus software codes. Type ISLAM into the FMGC guys- Watch! The power comes up a little and then a bearing and distance to Mecca!

One day soon, Airbus drivers all around the world, will push managed descent and nothing is going to happen. Hundreds of airliners will sail off into the sunset, toward an infidel abyss.

There is only one God. Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar.
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 03:16
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Originally Posted by *Lancer*
The crusades weren't a Sunday barbeque...
No and the behaviour carried out during them is widely condemned by every Christian under the sun- the same as they condemn the behaviour of the branch davidians and those who kill abortionists but claim to be Christian. Do we see the same level of condemnation about the acts of Hezbollah, al qaeda, etc from the muslim community?

It is also true that there are violent parts of the bible when taken in isolation however if you read them in historical context then they are a lot more reasonable. Unfortunately, the Quran doesn't have the same context available to them being mostly in order of length rather than being in the order that Mohammed dictated them. The other thing worth considering is the way that the bible came into being as opposed to the quran. Very interesting when you start digging.

The important thing is to actually do the research rather than rely on the media. Consider both documents, how they came about and what they mean to the world- then make up your own mind.
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Well said Keg. Just because things....of whatever horrible nature...were ever done in the name of Christianity....doesn't mean that we cannot now say that they were wrong then and would be wrong now. A sentiment sadly lacking from apologists for the terrorists.
Thank goodness there are not now squads of aggrieved Christian suicide bombers wanting revenge.....
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 04:26
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Always nice to read your balanced views of the world & the industry we serve.

However, if you are Arabic you would call the book of revelations the Qoran. For those (my self included) less versed on Mohammeds accounts the Koran or Korahn would suffice.
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 04:39
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Okay, so my comments weren't liked but I fail to see how anyone could accept "nuking one people but not the other" as acceptable!

Anyway, I was going to post some other stuff but at the risk of getting the thread locked I decided against it.
However I reckon whatever "organisation" behind this latest ploy is no doubt still laughing at the fact they managed to grind an entire transportation network across at least two nations to a halt without actually blowing anything up. Explosions or not they still managed to cause havoc.
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 05:11
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The crusades are still on ,nothing changed exept the weapons and technology.
As heavan is the greatest place in the afterlife then most muslims cannot wait to get there , but i think they want to take some infidels with them just in case they are wrong.
That way theyll have someting to attack on the other side.
Just wait till the first group let go their nukes , and its not a case of will but when.
The humans do not deserve the Earth....

Sadly
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 05:41
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sadly the Use of nukes, by either side is the only thing i fear in this new WWIII, the constant flighting in the middle east has been going on over 2 Millenia, nothing has, and nothing will change in that part of the world. the only difference now is Modern technology has made it possible for these islamic fanatics to take their wars to the global stage.

it will be a truly sad day when one of these terrorist organisations gets hold of a nuclear weapon and detonates it on western soil, for it will spell the end for the entire Middle east region. it may not happen for another decade or more, i pray it never happens, but if it does, sure enough. the general pupulation of western society will say enough is enough and the entire region will be turned into the planets glass factory.
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 06:22
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So we're allowed to commit mass murder to provide for our own 'freedom'?

We need to avoid the same distorted, "we're right and you're wrong" view the terrorists use to justify their actions in the first place. It only facilitates inescapable conflict.
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 09:53
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I'm going on holidays to the UK in September.

I'm not looking forward to being forced to check in my $2000+ SLR Camera.
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 10:13
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Does that mean you cant buy duty free grog now .............
In case you give it to a terrorist onboard to detroy the aircraft you are flying when you could have done a better job yourself...
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 11:00
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The crusades weren't a Sunday barbeque...
No, but they weren't anything to do with Christianity, either. It was a political objective (conquering the Holy Land and defeating Saladin) that was justified by claiming to be the will of God (the only way that soldiers could be recruited for the task). That is the thing with atrocities that have been committed in the name of Christianity - none of them are sanctioned by the book. That is also why you don't see Christians martyring themselves or declaring holy war - it is inconsistent with their faith.

The crusades are still on ,nothing changed exept the weapons and technology.
Assuming that you are talking about Iraq - I can't imagine what else you could be talking about - that has nothing to do with Christianity either, that is all about oil.

The humans do not deserve the Earth....
True!
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 11:14
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The sky is falling!

Did anyone read the piece in Saturday's Melbourne Herald Sun, from a Russian perspective?
Is it just the "Coalition Of The Willing" that is experiencing this nonsense or is it all Countries?
The best way for a Government to assure its constituents is to create fear in their minds in the first place then set out to assure them! Now let us offer our thanks and praise to the most dominant religion (belief system) of them all... George Bush.
I guess it has kept the "War Against Terror" fresh in the minds of Aussies given all that is going on between Israel and Lebanon. After all, they have been media hoggs for the last 3 -4 week
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 11:17
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Take the train.
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 11:20
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Take the train
Madrid? London bombings...

ill stick to my car thanks.
or my Own plane.
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Old 13th Aug 2006, 14:32
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Old 13th Aug 2006, 17:53
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Originally Posted by gassed budgie
Any major conflict that has occurred in the middle east over the last few decades in which Israel has been involved, has been started by the guys on the other side of the fence.
Apart from the 1967 Six Day War, of course....

Originally Posted by gassed budgie
Iran is responsible directly and indirectly for most of what goes under the name of terrorism today. That's what the Arab world has achieved by their inaction.
Don't forget the Pakis, they're no slouches in the world of international terrorism these days.

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I'm sick and tired that such a backward horde of pr!cks are creating and getting away with so much mayhem.
I hear you brother....

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I despise them and what they stand for.
I fully understand the sentiment. People who are caught in the middle like CC, already mentioned above, I sympathise with but having been all over the ME, the reality is the entire place is filled with hot-head, easily-offended, quick-to-anger people who are all deluded into banging their heads 5 times a day and who, although they may not be violent themselves, are certainly not particularly bothered when a western target is struck.

And why should they be, for them the west is "the other side", hated or not. Just as we choose our side. The sad part is, we encourage them to choose their ways in our own countries whilst they are smart (or cunning) enough to stamp that sort of dissension out in their own countries.

How many churches are there in Saudi Arabia?

The crusades weren't a Sunday barbeque...


No and the behaviour carried out during them is widely condemned by every Christian under the sun
Not by this one.
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Old 13th Aug 2006, 19:37
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The trouble is that we have been co-opted into an unwinnable "war on terror" that can never be won because terrorism is a tactic, not a nation state. We might just as well have a "war on thunderstorms".

Willingness to commit terrorism is a state of mind that is not easily detectable. The means to commit an act of terrorism can be a contact lens cleaner bottle of liquid, or a hammer, or a wrench, or a match.

The only sensible statement I've seen on the subject was from a retired British policeman who stated "communities are the only vehicles that can fight terror", and I think he is absolutely right.

If you look at the muslim community that was home to some of those currently alleged to be terrorists, its a pretty sorry dead end mess.
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Old 13th Aug 2006, 22:35
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I've been saying exactly the same thing for the last 5 years, Sunfish. However, from Bush and Howard downwards, it's always been too politcally incorrect to say what it's REALLY a war on...............
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Old 13th Aug 2006, 23:44
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I live in an Asian Islamic country and see a very great difference between it and ME and west asian Muslim countries.

The difference between the peaceful Islamic countries and the violent ones is simple...standard of living.

In Malaysia and Brunei essentially everyone has a good standard of living and is well educated...the same is true to a lesser extent in Indonesia....and yes I know the Bali bombers are Indonesian...those 20 individuals as well as the other 290 million who were as horrified as we were.

You don't see much in the way of anti western sentiment in these places...what little you do see is a vague anti US/Isreal sentiment but they don't feel strong enough about it to really be bothered one way or another.

The violence in the Islamic parts of southern Thailand is not directed at the west but at the Thai Govt...because that part of Thailand is fairly poverty stricken....same thing in the southern Philipines...small groups of unhappy young men attacking their respective Govts.

In Iraq there was no anti western sentiment (in the population) until the west went in and completely fecked up getting rid of Saddam.

I have been to Pakistan and Iran post 911 and did not detect the slightest anti western sentiment in the people I met and dealt with....some people asked if I was American and that was it...they smiled broadly when I said no. The Iranian Govt is fairly fundamentalist in its views but the population is certanly not. Iranians are not Arabs they are Persian..there is a difference. Iranians by nature are very moderate in their outlook. Pakistan is only a center of terrorism because so much of the place is completely beyond any Govts control...it's western border country is truly the wild west...it is essentially a geographically handy place for feckwits to hide and no bastard will ever find them....likewise Afghansitan.

Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei and a host of other Islamic countries have minority Christian populations who worship in churches openly and without drama. If the Quiran really said kill all christians where-ever you find them surely they would start with the people 3 streets across just because they were handy....but they don't. Islam in fact believes that JC was a great prophet...not the son of god but definately a cool dude.

The common factor in all this terrorist BS is a small group of radicals with unlimited access to LOTS of poor, angry, disaffected young men. Rather like the IRA really.

And therein lays another truth. Islamic Terrorism is to Islam as Irish Republican Terrorism was to Catholicism. Basically **** all.

Seperate 'angry and disaffected' from 'young man' and you'd go a long way to solving terrorism...what 17 year old with a sense of a happy, fulfilling, positive future will willingly strap a bomb to himself?

I would suggest the number would be so small, but not zero, as to be an insignificant problem as opposed to the all consuming problem we seem to have now.

When Islamic countries in the ME are not run by dictators who hoard the resources of their countries unto themsleves we might have a chance to live in a peaceful world...because the grunt labour will have been removed from the clutches of the fundamentalists.

Hezbollah and Hamas is a slightly different version of that same problem.

Like North Korea is the last bastian of fundamentalist Marxist doctrine, Hezbollah is the last really big group who's avowed policy is the destruction of the State of Israel. Everyone else in the Region, certainly all the nation states, has had a go and received a sound flogging, subsequently given up, and made permanent peace with Israel. Hezbollah and Hamas are the last two groups hanging on to power, and that is what it's about, by attacking the State of Israel...and Iranian Clerics are happy to feed them money and whatever else they need to keep bashing away at a dead idea...maintaining a local boogy man...ending the state of Israel.

Hamas and the PLO under Arafat DID NOT want peace because then Arafat and his cohort would lose power. Arafat died and there seemed a chance to resolve the Palestinian problems...but Hamas got stuck in to stir things up so the west bank is in turmoil too....funny that...when there is a vague chance that Palestine might get what they apparently want...autonomy...Hamas and Hezbollah start a war. Hezbollah got what they wanted 6 years ago when the Israelis pulled out of southern Lebanon..so they spent 6 years hoarding things 'what go bang' and digging fighting positions then attacked Israel.

Do you think the populations under their control voted for it? Of course not...but it aint hard to convince a population living in poverty that the big boogy man who lives over there is attacking us again..for no reason....they have been at it so long nobody in the general population can remember who started what...The Israelis keep bombing us so our angry, dissaffected young men go to defend us with the only weapon they have....or is it the other way around...who stands to lose the most if the general population works it out?

Not the Israelis that is certain...maybe the leadership of Hamas and Hezbollah?

Syria's big 'want' is the Gollan Heights back....Israel kept them after Syria attacked them one time. Lets see the last time Israel gave back territory it was used as a quiet spot to build an arsenal...what do we think will happen if Israel gives Syria an elevated quiet spot....one with a really good view of Israel? Does anyone think that Hezbolah might set up shop?

Tomorrow, actually today Oz time, I will operate LHR-DXB and I will fly over Beirut and about 20nm east of Damascus...which is in the Bekaa Valley just north of the Gollan Heights...which is a mountain chain that separates Syria from Israel. That whole portion of the flight, from overhead Beirut to the Syrian/Jordanian border, will be about 30 minutes...it aint a very wide area...a crossroads is a good analogy... and yes, you can watch the war happening under you as you fly by.

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