QF JOB CUTS

[Gordstar]

GD seems to have a one track mind.....
Are we seeing the beginnings of the end for one of Australia's greatest icons?
If GD continues down this track, QF won't have the ware withall to provide a decent airline, and the slide will be self perpetuating.
Someone please stop this crazy man..........................
I hope this is not true.

[bilbert]

Fuel prices are the same for every operator, so logically J* should be cut too. I think not. It's fairly obvious that it's only a matter of time until J* is renamed as Qantas.

[BHMvictim]

Originally Posted by Toluene Diisocyanate

Bollox.
Nothing on any of the ABC news websites.

Bollox huh? Shall I throw you an egg now?

[BHMvictim]

Originally Posted by Tankengine

If staff cuts of this magnitude are possible then surely that means that QF management has allowed this bloating to happen.

I posted this in another thread. 1000 staff, equating to 20% are to be axed.

1000 is 20% of 5000. Therefore, there are 5000 staff in "management, support and administration" positions.

QF employs 38,000. 38,000 - 5000 = 33,000 people in non "management, support and administration" positions.

33000:5000 = 6.6:1

Therefore, there is currently 1 manager/suport/admin member of staff member for every 6.6 productive employees.

Top heavy? Bloated....

ABSOLUTELY!

(sorry, wasn't that word copyrighted by a now defunct other airline???)

[Toluene Diisocyanate]

** Puckers lips in order to suck eggs **

Correct, BHMVictim. However at the time I posted yesterday (0300UTC) there was indeed NOTHING on the ABC websites.
Nevertheless I quite like eggs

[wing surfer]

i wonder where they will cut in engineering this time.

i hope it is the managerment this time because the workers are p**sed at the axe always being aimed at this group.

[cartexchange]

1000 ground staff,support admin staff!
Hmmm can they start at QCC
The amount of staff in these offices sitting there on huge salaries doing nothing is quite disturbing.
It will be an interesting cull.
From my observation, all floors on QCC could do with 30%less staff QF could and would probably function a lot better.
There will be a lot less staff(str!kebreakers)for GD and his cronies to draw this time.
We have a long memory! I will never ever forget the queues of ground staff begging to do our jobs in DEC04, they were willing to gorge on us!
I'm trying to sum up some sympathy, but this memory of blacked out curtained buses in the middle of the night is clouding my judgment!

[Keg]

Originally Posted by cartexchange

1000 ground staff,support admin staff!
Hmmm can they start at QCC
The amount of staff in these offices sitting there on huge salaries doing nothing is quite disturbing.

I have a friend of mine on QCC2. She's a pretty sharp operator and works bloody long hours- you often find her still in the office well after 1900hrs and she doesn't stop for lunch generally. She worked the Easter weekend to get the job done. There used to be three of them in that area but with a resignation and another off on long term leave, there is now just the one. She doesn't get time in lieu for the weekend work, public holiday or long days that she does. I've told her she should work the 9-5 and then walk out and leave the work incomplete but bless her, she doesn't believe in leaving the job half done and thus screw over the lives of the multitude of crew that she serves. From what i've observed of her colleagues, a lot of them are doing the same thing.

Other parts of the organisation though? No doubts at all but some areas are already on the bone and now starting to cut through that!

[B A Lert]

Hey Keg - it is good to be able to agree with you! Miracles do happen. It is refreshing to see some acknowledgement of the contribution made by most ground staff to keep the wheels turning. Most crew would have no idea about what goes on behind the scenes, the hours put in and so on. It is true that it MAY appear staff are under-utilised but wouldn't some wailing and whingeing if there wasn't anyone around to meet the requirements of crew when they happened by QCC to clear their mail or whatever? There will always be fat, as in all large organisations, but so much has been trimmed from Qantas I really don't know what GD and his mob can now achieve without a lot of out-sourcing. Either that or he has presided over a bloated bureaucracy in which case the Board and its Executive team deserve censure.

[Bad Adventures]

So according to you Lert, part of the reason why these people are being made redundant (management and administration staff mind you) is because of the current level of wages and conditions that pilots and cabin crew receive.

My goodness me man, you’ve said some stupid things in your tenure here but you certainly saved the best till last!

[B A Lert]

Originally Posted by Bad Adventures

....part of the reason why these people are being made redundant (management and administration staff mind you) is because of the current level of wages and conditions that pilots and cabin crew receive....

Yes, that is one of several reasons. Why are people so blind as to probably the main reason for the agressive development and growth of Jetstar Domestic and Jetstar International?

Same old story I guess: there is none so blind (or deaf) as he or she who doesn't want to see (or hear). Corporate overheads are also part of the mix as well as manpower costs all over the airline but the direct labor costs of crew (approx 6,000 people) and their on-costs are significantly higher at Mainline.

[cartexchange]

give it up lert!

[turbinejunkie]

Job Title - Senior Corporate Manager

Duties - Rape. Pillage and plunder.

Salary - Obscene

Methods - Divide and Conquer. Pay peanuts. Who cares about monkeys?

Qualifications Necessary - None. Will accept any candidate with an ability to wield a hatchet well

Heart - None or otherwise made of stone

Profit orientation - Absolute.

TJ

[Bad Adventures]

That’s funny, GD didn’t mention cabin crew and pilots as a reason in his announcement for these people losing there jobs, must have slipped his mind! You really have to get over your tall poppy syndrome BA. Just another want a be that wasn’t I guess, poor old sod. By the way what part of the airline did you say you worked in again?

[BHMvictim]

Yep! seems if you are not in a management or administrative role, you are paid too much. Be prepared to take a huge cut in your pay so as to allow those in management or administrative rolls to maintain their pay, bonuses and company BMWs. That's only fair, right?

Thanks 'Lert, for enlightening the rest of us!

[Ron & Edna Johns]

Fellas - it has to be said. When you see things like:

(a) committees sitting around, deciding on the new, "customer friendly" PA's to be made by crew, including such gems as saying "hello" instead of "good morning", saying "airport" instead of "terminal" and "leave" instead of "disembark" ;

(b) security/OH&S personnel policing crossings, threatening to fine staff for not using them/jay-walking, or OH&S committees deciding that people must walk up and down stairs holding onto the bannister ;

(c) OH&S committees/personnel deciding that MINTIES are not to be permitted in meetings as staff might BREAK A TOOTH

(d) heavens-knows how many man-hours expended on decorating the joint in gaudy yellow and orange to signify "Safety Week" - whilst basically SFA crew got anything out of aforesaid week (apart from some getting a squishy stress-plane or something, which was subsequently deemed unsafe to be left around small children???!!!)

(e) don't even get me started on the security people touring the globe checking that staff aren't nicking chocolate bars or grog off the jets ;

(e) etc etc etc. You get my drift.

then you KNOW there are still too many staff in the big Q. All the above man-hours just add to the cost base. Yep - staff costs in total at Q are high.

We need to cut the crap: engage the staff and focus on the IMPORTANT things like fixing planes, selling seats, flying the planes efficiently and providing an exceptional service in the cabin. Sadly I just can't see that happening anymore on GD's watch.

[Cactus Jak]

Next time we ring recruiting we'll be talking to someone in Delhi.

[qcc2]

what the analyst say

But, according to Mr Thomas, a shake-out of Qantas middle management is "probably overdue".

"Qantas has had a number of restructures but these have been upper management. I think middle management has blown out," he said.

dont we know it. remove 60 % and you have enough left for the next years restructure

[B A Lert]

Originally Posted by Ron & Edna Johns

(e) don't even get me started on the security people touring the globe checking that staff aren't nicking chocolate bars or grog off the jets ;

Says a lot about some of our colleagues R&E. If people didn't pinch things, this wouldn't be necessary. Don't think that crew are being picked on, as bags etcc of ground staff are also checked from time to time.

Yes R&E, there is MUCH wrong with the Rat. It's just that most of us from Board level down can't agree how to fix it all just as many of us have difficulty reconciling what others might be doing relative to what we think they should be doing.

By the way what part of the airline did you say you worked in again?

Not as stupid as you think BadAdventures but if you think 'somewhere at Mascot', you won't be far off the money.

[qcc2]

B A Lert just a little clarification

it may slip your mind or maybe you really dont know whats going on in the international arena. let me make it again very clear. QF pilots and cabin crew are CHEAP in comparison to our major international competitors.
QF pilots 1 cpt, 1 f/o, 2 s/o BA/SQ/most others 2 cpt, 2 f/o
QF747 cabin 15 1 csm/1css/13 fa on average 1;53 crew pax ratio
SQ/CP/ anywhere from 17 to 20 average crew/pax ratio 1:32 or less ,wages not disimilar, taxes lower, healthcare, other benefits part of package.
and we cetainly dont want to compare to our US and European collegues. they make our package look like third world countries. not that i am complaining about my what i call adequate package but nothing to get too exiting about.its all about doing your homework. so, B Alert next time do your home work: