Jet * Int requirements for ER OPs
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Jet * Int requirements for ER OPs
Would it be fair to speculate the a new/startup international carrier whom wished to fly ER/ETOPS flying from day one would need to show CASA 2 of the following :-
1/ A proven history of maintenance of similar or same type aircraft
A. Maint to be done by QF
2/ Highly experienced Tech crew with many hours on type?
I have read on another now closed thread that many of the current QF A330 Captains would not qualify to apply for Jet * due to the high hours required?
Would this be the reason the job advertisements are being seen worldwide with Jet * trying to lure a few home sick pilots away from the sand pit or Hong Kong to acquire the experience they need to operate on the routes planned?
Perhaps a few DECs on big buck contracts to get the ball rolling?
1/ A proven history of maintenance of similar or same type aircraft
A. Maint to be done by QF
2/ Highly experienced Tech crew with many hours on type?
I have read on another now closed thread that many of the current QF A330 Captains would not qualify to apply for Jet * due to the high hours required?
Would this be the reason the job advertisements are being seen worldwide with Jet * trying to lure a few home sick pilots away from the sand pit or Hong Kong to acquire the experience they need to operate on the routes planned?
Perhaps a few DECs on big buck contracts to get the ball rolling?
Oh the irony...
It sounds a bit like;
- the JPC sold this 'great opportunity' to their guys/gals to preserve the existing seniority list,
- without any guarantee that the company could name any criteria it wanted,
- in order to restrict movement/promotion to the new types from existing staff,
- and that some J* pilots might be realising that this flying was never meant for...,
- the few of their own group who actually want to do what is shaping up to be many nights spent away for less pay than their narrow-body contract.
Only time will tell....
- the JPC sold this 'great opportunity' to their guys/gals to preserve the existing seniority list,
- without any guarantee that the company could name any criteria it wanted,
- in order to restrict movement/promotion to the new types from existing staff,
- and that some J* pilots might be realising that this flying was never meant for...,
- the few of their own group who actually want to do what is shaping up to be many nights spent away for less pay than their narrow-body contract.
Only time will tell....
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It's a great opportunity for a lot of guys to get commands back in Australia. That is until they realise they may get jumped over in seniority in 2 years to become FO's again and also have to fork out for B787 rating. It's a good deal.
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Amen to Tooheys New over Tiger.
Way to many head aches in each can of Tiger
Its amazing how anything can be broken down to the common denominator of BEER.
Is the anything beer can't do.
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Way to many head aches in each can of Tiger
Its amazing how anything can be broken down to the common denominator of BEER.
Is the anything beer can't do.
Duff Duff its wonderful stuff
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Its going to take more than a few experienced drivers from the pit or the harbour to get anything more than 120min ETOPS. All AO did was change the paint scheme, same drivers, same engineers, and they have only just got 180min ETOPS after 3 and a half years of operation. They have been limited to 120min all this time. Cant see how CASA would issue jester with even 120 with no experience operating the 330. 120 would be generous, 180 would have the AO management in uproar! (You would have to think something smells a little fishy if they get ETOPS straight up). 
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Elroy,
2 things worth noting here.
1. Jokestar have an unlimited budget(ie back door deals). GD has said on a few occasions that the growth of Onestar WILL NOT BE COMPROMISED.
2. By then there will be no AO or management so who gives a ..
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Just the facts mate
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2 things worth noting here.
1. Jokestar have an unlimited budget(ie back door deals). GD has said on a few occasions that the growth of Onestar WILL NOT BE COMPROMISED.
2. By then there will be no AO or management so who gives a ..
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Just the facts mate
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re A330 EROPS
120 min allowed the 767-200 to fly extensively around Asia.
From memory, even Aust - HNL was ok using places like Majuro. HNL -LAX/SFO the only 180 min required sector.
I would be surprised if initial 120 min approval was not forthcoming.
120 min allowed the 767-200 to fly extensively around Asia.
From memory, even Aust - HNL was ok using places like Majuro. HNL -LAX/SFO the only 180 min required sector.
I would be surprised if initial 120 min approval was not forthcoming.
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Gday Normasars, thanks for the reply. No ammount of money will get you 180mins straight up with no history. Period. (Unless the regulator is open to bribes which of course no one is suggesting that).
AO will continue to operate as a Cairns base of mainline, with its own flight ops management and regulatory approvals seperate to mainline. These people will still be there when jester starts off, and would be mighty pi$$ed if jester gets 180min after waiting so long for their approval.
Jester might get 120min, but not likely, remember the QF machines were an untried airframe engine combination. Another master stroke when they ordered those buckets of bolts.
AO will continue to operate as a Cairns base of mainline, with its own flight ops management and regulatory approvals seperate to mainline. These people will still be there when jester starts off, and would be mighty pi$$ed if jester gets 180min after waiting so long for their approval.
Jester might get 120min, but not likely, remember the QF machines were an untried airframe engine combination. Another master stroke when they ordered those buckets of bolts.
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Speculating again ??
With either 120 0r 180 min ER being required by Jet * Int
What is the reasoning behind the high hour requirement for Captains unless it is somehow tied to the conditions of the AOC.
Rumour has it that the AOC was tied to the use of very experienced tech crew in the case with Virgin start-up.
If memory serves ( I may be wrong) AO did not even have or perhaps use 120 mins on start up either
With either 120 0r 180 min ER being required by Jet * Int
What is the reasoning behind the high hour requirement for Captains unless it is somehow tied to the conditions of the AOC.
Rumour has it that the AOC was tied to the use of very experienced tech crew in the case with Virgin start-up.
If memory serves ( I may be wrong) AO did not even have or perhaps use 120 mins on start up either
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Have a look at the great circle mapper
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=s...YLE=&ETOPS=120
180 minutes is not an issue anywhere other than Hawaii. US mainland is a problem but that won't be happening for awhile. Obviously, weather can complicate things but, in Asia at least, airports are plentiful and this issue just isn't goint to affect their ops.
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=s...YLE=&ETOPS=120
180 minutes is not an issue anywhere other than Hawaii. US mainland is a problem but that won't be happening for awhile. Obviously, weather can complicate things but, in Asia at least, airports are plentiful and this issue just isn't goint to affect their ops.
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Home ward bound
I have been in the pit for a few years and can tell you that J* will probably have no drama getting guys from EK or Dragon to crew the 6-8 330s they are after.May sound like a mercenary but if you have saved your money (and tax credits) wisely you can certainly cope with 160 ish tax free for a few years. The window of opportunity to come home as a dec will be narrow.Anyone done the interview yet? - I am after info on the sim ride in the 747? psychometrics are standard everywhere! 