JETSTAR RECRUITS IN THE AUSTRALIAN
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JETSTAR RECRUITS IN THE AUSTRALIAN
REF:the ad in the Australian today.
We all know the world is a small place and the world of Aviation even smaller therefore, word will get around.
However, how many current, experienced A330 Captains and F/Os are floating around Australia looking for a job??
We all know the world is a small place and the world of Aviation even smaller therefore, word will get around.
However, how many current, experienced A330 Captains and F/Os are floating around Australia looking for a job??
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"Newsstand?"
To all you OS guys, you can now download the Australian in its entirety and view it on your computer. You will see every article and all the ads. The website only puts around 50 percent of the articles and no ads.
You pay the normal purchase price of the paper.
Cheers.
FT.
You pay the normal purchase price of the paper.
Cheers.
FT.
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I understand that direct entry captains will actually be employed as F/O's and given "temporary" commands with the introduction of the A330 for up to three years.
I guess they then drop back to F/O. Would make you want to carefully think about chucking in an existing command to take up this offer.
Also hear the interest of current J* pilots in moving to J* Int is lackluster in the extreme. The question of days off overseas and being able to get overtime hours on the international fleet is the worry.
I guess they then drop back to F/O. Would make you want to carefully think about chucking in an existing command to take up this offer.
Also hear the interest of current J* pilots in moving to J* Int is lackluster in the extreme. The question of days off overseas and being able to get overtime hours on the international fleet is the worry.
"Also hear the interest of current J* pilots in moving to J* Int is lackluster in the extreme. The question of days off overseas and being able to get overtime hours on the international fleet is the worry."
If that's true, makes you wonder why the EBA was voted up.
If that's true, makes you wonder why the EBA was voted up.
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[QUOTE=altocu]"Also hear the interest of current J* pilots in moving to J* Int is lackluster in the extreme. The question of days off overseas and being able to get overtime hours on the international fleet is the worry."
2 things worthy of note. There is no J* vs J* Int. There is only one J*(in Aus that is) There is a narrow body fleet and a wide body fleet but only one Pilot Body.
Days off overseas are not an issue as the agreement provides for days off in home base, any days off overseas are in addition to the minimum in home base.
The truth is most of the J* pilots simply prefer to fly domestically(short haul) versus internationally (long haul) at this point in time.
2 things worthy of note. There is no J* vs J* Int. There is only one J*(in Aus that is) There is a narrow body fleet and a wide body fleet but only one Pilot Body.
Days off overseas are not an issue as the agreement provides for days off in home base, any days off overseas are in addition to the minimum in home base.
The truth is most of the J* pilots simply prefer to fly domestically(short haul) versus internationally (long haul) at this point in time.
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So who's Jennifer Hawkings then..? Obviously the babe in the photo.
At what stage in the Jet* recruitment process does she appear? The bit before the psyche test I immagine..
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At what stage in the Jet* recruitment process does she appear? The bit before the psyche test I immagine..
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Sorry to divert the thread away from Ms Hawkins, but TurbTool has got it wrong regarding days off. He has correctly stated that days off OS will be in addition to the minimum days off at home, but what he has missed is the huge gotcha.
Read this clause:
This says that you will get 9 (or 10) days off over 6 roster periods, that’s a long time, plenty of scope for days off OS.
If you still don’t believe me lets do something simple:
A roster period is a month, so lets replace the word “roster periods” with the word “months”,
So how does this read:
You will be rostered free of duty at your Home Base for minimum of 9 designated days off in 6 Months and 10 rostered days off in 6 Months.
Enjoy all those days off at home boys and girls I'm afraid you were sold a pup, and this is only one of 12 very “questionable” clauses (all coincidentally can be interpreted in the companies favor) in that dirty little document, and remember this rewritten agreement covers narrow body as well, no one is safe!
Read this clause:
25.1.3 “You will be rostered free of duty at your Home Base for minimum of 9 designated days off in 6 roster periods and 10 rostered days off in 6 roster periods. The minimum number of days off in a roster period for a pilot will be notified to the pilot no later than before the end of the preceding period.”
If you still don’t believe me lets do something simple:
A roster period is a month, so lets replace the word “roster periods” with the word “months”,
So how does this read:
You will be rostered free of duty at your Home Base for minimum of 9 designated days off in 6 Months and 10 rostered days off in 6 Months.
Enjoy all those days off at home boys and girls I'm afraid you were sold a pup, and this is only one of 12 very “questionable” clauses (all coincidentally can be interpreted in the companies favor) in that dirty little document, and remember this rewritten agreement covers narrow body as well, no one is safe!
Given that QF mainline seem to have no qualms in re-interpreting various documents that were written in slightly vague terms, and picking & choosing what suits them (based upon their interpretation), the JetStar guys are going to have a pretty hard time soon.
Sure, we all know that the intention was for 9 days a month off at home for 6 roster periods, and 10 days a month off at home for 6 roster periods, but unfotunately that isn't EXACTLY how the document reads.
I say that unfortunately the guys have been sold a pup, and that nothing much good will come of it - perhaps except an interesting former JPC rep as the new Chief Pilot
(which is of course only good for one person - him!)
Sure, we all know that the intention was for 9 days a month off at home for 6 roster periods, and 10 days a month off at home for 6 roster periods, but unfotunately that isn't EXACTLY how the document reads.
I say that unfortunately the guys have been sold a pup, and that nothing much good will come of it - perhaps except an interesting former JPC rep as the new Chief Pilot
(which is of course only good for one person - him!)
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More specifically, the intention was 9 days off in EACH of 6 roster periods, and 10 days off in EACH of 6 other roster periods.
But that isn't what is in the contract. It isn't what they signed up to. Can you believe it??
I don't really think JetStar will actually insist on working to the precise letter of the contract in this respect (although you never know in extreme situations). What it does show, however, is the slap-dash way this whole thing was thrown together. It shows the industrial naiveity and inexperience of the JPC. And in the context of JetStar now having to ADVERTISE in the media for pilots, it just serves to highlight what a sad deal the JetStar pilots got conned into by their own JPC!
JetStar would not be advertising for crew if they they had pilots swamping them with resumes. On the contrary. Airbus pilots with the prerequiste experience are well aware of JetStar International and newspaper ads aren't needed to get them to apply if they want to. So the fact that the ads have been placed augers pretty badly for JetStar and JetStar International........
Perhaps we will see some individual contracts offered to a select few, above and beyond the EBA, to come back to Aus and JetStar....?? All completely legal and the rest of the pilots won't even be allowed know about it.
But that isn't what is in the contract. It isn't what they signed up to. Can you believe it??
I don't really think JetStar will actually insist on working to the precise letter of the contract in this respect (although you never know in extreme situations). What it does show, however, is the slap-dash way this whole thing was thrown together. It shows the industrial naiveity and inexperience of the JPC. And in the context of JetStar now having to ADVERTISE in the media for pilots, it just serves to highlight what a sad deal the JetStar pilots got conned into by their own JPC!
JetStar would not be advertising for crew if they they had pilots swamping them with resumes. On the contrary. Airbus pilots with the prerequiste experience are well aware of JetStar International and newspaper ads aren't needed to get them to apply if they want to. So the fact that the ads have been placed augers pretty badly for JetStar and JetStar International........
Perhaps we will see some individual contracts offered to a select few, above and beyond the EBA, to come back to Aus and JetStar....?? All completely legal and the rest of the pilots won't even be allowed know about it.
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Prehaps we'll see Jetstar open days in London, Los Angeles, Vancouver etc, with applicants flown to Sydney for second interviews and a look around. They have advertised locally with little response to satisfy immigration requirements.
Once J* pilots start leaving for jobs in Asia and the Middle East management will have found out how little they can get away with paying and how much pilots are willing to put up with in order to live in Australia.
That is then the basis for conditions based on supply and demand. Once "how much less will they accept to live in BNE/SYD/MEL vs HKG/SIN/DBX" becomes know pay scales will be set accordingly. Unfortunately they are likely to be a fair bit lower than similar jobs overseas.
Once J* pilots start leaving for jobs in Asia and the Middle East management will have found out how little they can get away with paying and how much pilots are willing to put up with in order to live in Australia.
That is then the basis for conditions based on supply and demand. Once "how much less will they accept to live in BNE/SYD/MEL vs HKG/SIN/DBX" becomes know pay scales will be set accordingly. Unfortunately they are likely to be a fair bit lower than similar jobs overseas.
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AWA's - A Worse Agenda
Individual contracts are a real furphy - it's merely another term for an inferior version of an EBA offering less money & worse conditions or a 'wolf in sheeps clothing'.
Firstly, why on earth would a company, aviation or otherwise, want to pay you more and give you better conditions? Thanks to Little Johnny & his 'worse choices' masquerading as industrial relations reform, a company can offer you what you may think is a better deal initially by dangling the carrot in the form of dollars as a sweetener, but before the ink is dry on your contract drop your salary or alter conditions leaving you worse off. You have of course agreed to this by signing the document.
Rule number 1: You are never better off under an AWA versus an EBA so hang on to the latter for dear life for as long as you can!
Secondly, do you really think any company wants hundreds of employees all on different AWA's? A human resources logistical nightmare if ever I heard it. They just want everyone on a blanket mickey mouse award where everyone's on less money & worse conditions but thinks they're on a good deal because it's an AWA.
Can be a bit like booking through Flight Centre or Virgin. You may not actually be getting the best deal but just assume you are because they are perceived to be the cheapest.
An recent example of how AWA's fail to deliver was seen with Victoria's Tenix Solutions, a company which amongst other things is used by the Victorian Police for outsourcing their fines recoveries to. The only thing employees could change with their AWA was the wording in a paragraph if it offended them for religious reasons. So much for getting a better deal!!!
Firstly, why on earth would a company, aviation or otherwise, want to pay you more and give you better conditions? Thanks to Little Johnny & his 'worse choices' masquerading as industrial relations reform, a company can offer you what you may think is a better deal initially by dangling the carrot in the form of dollars as a sweetener, but before the ink is dry on your contract drop your salary or alter conditions leaving you worse off. You have of course agreed to this by signing the document.
Rule number 1: You are never better off under an AWA versus an EBA so hang on to the latter for dear life for as long as you can!
Secondly, do you really think any company wants hundreds of employees all on different AWA's? A human resources logistical nightmare if ever I heard it. They just want everyone on a blanket mickey mouse award where everyone's on less money & worse conditions but thinks they're on a good deal because it's an AWA.
Can be a bit like booking through Flight Centre or Virgin. You may not actually be getting the best deal but just assume you are because they are perceived to be the cheapest.
An recent example of how AWA's fail to deliver was seen with Victoria's Tenix Solutions, a company which amongst other things is used by the Victorian Police for outsourcing their fines recoveries to. The only thing employees could change with their AWA was the wording in a paragraph if it offended them for religious reasons. So much for getting a better deal!!!