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Old 14th Dec 2005, 00:31
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QF Fleet Order Announcement Today?

Can anyone in the know confirm the QF board is meeting today and expect to announce the delayed fleet buy? Or has it been put on ice until further notice?
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Yeah apparently 2pm is the go -

Qantas Airways to Announce A$20 Bln Fleet Order Today (Correct)
Dec. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Qantas Airways Ltd., Australia's biggest airline, will today announce its order for new planes, valued at as much as A$20 billion ($15 billion).

Chief Executive Geoff Dixon will hold a briefing at 2 p.m. in Sydney, the company said in a statement e-mailed to Bloomberg.

Qantas in August said it may buy new aircraft including Boeing Co.'s 787 and Airbus SAS's A350 to fly short international and domestic routes. Boeing and Airbus have doubled their 2005 orders from the previous year, helped by rising demand in Asia for more fuel-efficient planes.

Qantas's current fleet of 207 planes is made up of Boeing's 747, 767, 737 and 717 models plus Airbus's A330s, A320s and Dash 8s.
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I havent seen any QANTAS A320s (only Jetstar) - is that something which is about to happen?
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Looks like its going boeing.

115 x 787

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Decided against hub-busters. Were they not originally looking at a plan to replace older 400's?

Shame they haven't announced the 777. Hopefully they will in time to come - a 777/787 fleet would be good.

Also Jetstar get the 4 A330-200's. Do they replace them from mainline with anything?
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Boeing Wins Order From Qantas for as Many as 115 Airplanes

Boeing Wins Order From Qantas for as Many as 115 Airplanes

Dec. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co., the world's second- largest commercial aircraft maker, won an order for as many as 115 airplanes from Qantas Airways Ltd., Australia's largest carrier.

The order is for 65 Boeing 787s for deliver starting from 2008 and rights for an additional 50 787s, the Sydney-based carrier said. Boeing, which has reached a record 800 firm airplane orders as of Nov. 30, beat out larger rival Airbus SAS.
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Can't see the media release on the QANTAS site, however it is on the ASX site...

Australian Stock Exchange

Look for the QAN announcement at 2pm
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Thumbs up QF Orders 787s

Announcement made today on ASX. They're coming!
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It's on there now The PM
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Such a shame Qantas media is so slow Buster!
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Qantas go with Boeing
14/12/05 By: Stephen Blaxhall

Qantas Airways Limited (QAN) today announced that as part of its fleet renewal program review the group had decided to acquire 115 Boeing 787 aircraft. Under the fleet plan, the Qantas Group will acquire 65 Boeing 787s for Qantas mainline and Jetstar for delivery from 2008 and rights for an additional 50 B787s for growth.

The decision follows the airline’s request for proposal to Airbus and Boeing, which were announced in August 2005, for the provision of twin-engine wide-body aircraft.

The group advised that it intends to intendeds to fund the purchase of the new aircraft from operating cash flow.

“This fleet plan will give us a modern fleet offering maximum flexibility, lower seat mile costs and greater fuel efficiency,” noted Ms Margaret Jackson, Chairman of Qantas.


Ms Jackson added that the new acquisitions would allow for expected growth on international routes with the addition of new destinations as well as replacing the existing Qantas Group’s fleet of wide-body Boeing 767-300s.

The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said that the Boeing 787 provided Qantas with the ability to fly further to more point-to-point destinations throughout the world at a cost equivalent to operating larger aircraft like the Boeing 747- 400.

“One of our clear priorities is for Jetstar to be ready for international operations by early 2007, with the fastest possible transition to new technology, more efficient aircraft,” he added.

Jetstar will start its international operations with an interim fleet of four A330-200 aircraft and then transition to a fleet of 10 new Boeing 787 aircraft, with delivery of Jetstar’s first B787 scheduled for August 2008, Mr Dixon advsied.

Qantas mainline operations will take delivery of the first B787 for Qantas mainline operations in July 2009, he added.

“The Boeing 787 is ideal for operating to Asia, as well the USA and Europe, and with 300 seats, will enable both Qantas and Jetstar to closely target markets without compromising efficiency,” commented Mr Dixon.

“Its new technology engines, cutting-edge airframe and increased seat count also offer a significant reduction in costs per ASK compared to the current Boeing 767,” he noted.

Mr Dixon said Qantas’ current order was a mix of B787-8 and later model B787-9 aircraft.

The B787-9 model will be ready for service in 2011 and will fly further than the B787-8 but with capacity for 50 additional passengers. The B787 goes into production in 2006, with its first flight planned for 2007 and certification, delivery and entry into service in 2008.

At 1430 AEDT Qantas were up 17c at $3.92

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Qantas chooses Boeing for fleet program December 14, 2005 - 2:44PM

Qantas Airways Ltd says it will acquire 115 Boeing 787 aircraft as part of its fleet renewal program.

Qantas will take delivery of acquire of the first 65 aircraft from 2008 at a list price of $13 billion.

"Obviously with the 115 aircraft it gets up to about $23 to $24 billion," chief executive Geoff Dixon said.

The decision follows Qantas' request to Airbus and Boeing in August for twin-engine wide-body aircraft.

Mr Dixon said the tender had been very competitive, with excellent options proposed by both Boeing and Airbus.

"The Boeing 787 provides breakthrough technology, enabling us to fly further to more point-to-point destinations throughout the world at a cost equivalent to operating larger aircraft like the Boeing 747-400," he said.

"One of our clear priorities is for Jetstar to be ready for international operations by early 2007, with the fastest possible transition to new technology, more efficient aircraft."

Mr Dixon said Jetstar would commence operations with an interim fleet of four A330-200 aircraft before moving to a fleet of 10 new Boeing 787 aircraft, with delivery of Jetstar's first B787 scheduled for August 2008.

Qantas chairman Margaret Jackson said Qantas intended to fund the purchase of the new aircraft from operating cash flow.

"These new aircraft are vital for our continued growth in the face of increasing competition in the years ahead," Ms Jackson said.

"They will cater for international capacity growth and new routes, as well as replacing the Qantas Group's fleet of wide-body Boeing 767-300s."

Qantas said it had been unable to find an aircraft that could operate non-stop flights economically between Australia and London and Australia and New York from either Airbus or Boeing.

The firm had sought tenders from the two manufacturers for ultra-long range variants of the Airbus A340 and Boeing 777.

"Neither the B777 nor the A340 provide an economical solution to our desire to have some of our services overfly mid-point hubs," Mr Dixon said.

"As well, our commercial people did not feel the savings in elapsed time between the non-stop and one-stop journey was great enough to appeal to a wide enough passenger base."

However, Mr Dixon said it would continue to talk to both manufacturers about long-range aircraft options.

Qantas current order is for a mix of B787-8 and later model B787-9 aircraft, with the 787 set to reduce costs through its new technology.

"When the B787-9 model is ready for service in 2011, it will represent an even greater engineering breakthrough, flying further than the B787-8 but with capacity for 50 additional passengers," Mr Dixon said.

Mr Dixon said the decision would provide substantial economic benefits to Australia, including a $250 million injection into the local economy.

"Boeing has also told us that the order could produce total flow-through economic benefits to Australia in the order of $2 billion," he said.

"Boeing also expects other airlines to follow Qantas lead in relation to orders for the B787. This will provide an additional contribution to Australian jobs and export dollars."

The president of Boeing Australia, Andrew Peacock, said work on the B787 will produce projected exports of around $4 billion based on total projected sales through 2030.

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Boeing Wins Qantas Order for as Many as 115 Airplanes

Boeing Wins Qantas Order for as Many as 115 Airplanes (Update3)
Dec. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co., the world\'s second- largest commercial aircraft maker, beat rival Airbus SAS to win an order worth as much as $15.5 billion for 115 airplanes from Qantas Airways Ltd., Australia\'s biggest carrier.

The order is for 65 Boeing 787s for delivery starting from 2008 and rights for an additional 50 787s, the Sydney-based carrier said. Boeing\'s 787 planes, which cost as much as $135 million each at list prices, will be ready for service in 2008.

The order, Qantas\'s biggest since 2000, will extend Chicago-based Boeing\'s lead over Toulouse, France-based Airbus and help it win more orders than its nearest rival for the first year in five. Qantas said it was looking for so-called wide-body planes that are more fuel efficient and will help meet demand for rising capacity.

`This is a very, very big commitment to growth and capturing international market share,\'\' Chief Executive Geoff Dixon told reporters in Sydney.

Qantas in August said it was looking to buy new aircraft including Boeing\'s 787 and Airbus\' A350 to fly short international and domestic routes. It\'s spending A$20 billion ($15 billion) on planes over the next 10 years. Boeing and Airbus have doubled their 2005 orders from the previous year, helped by rising demand for in Asia for more fuel-efficient planes.

Record Orders

Boeing has reached a record 800 firm airplane orders as of Nov. 30 compared with 687 orders for Airbus. The Boeing 787 seats 217 to 289 passengers.

The airline will pay for the planes out of operating cash flow. It will need to buy 145 engines to power the aircraft and will start the selection process for the engines in 2006.

Qantas said it chose Boeing planes because they could fly further with a full payload, they burn less fuel, they fly faster than other aircraft and having one type will reduce maintenance costs.

The number of international passengers flying between Australia rose 8.8 percent to 1.7 million visits in August from a year ago and 26 percent more than in 2003, according to the latest available figures by Australia\'s Bureau of Transport and Regional Economics.

Domestic air traffic was a record 3.7 million trips in September, 6.3 percent higher than last year.

Qantas carried 29 percent of international passengers leaving Australia in the 12 months ended June 30, more than double the volume of Singapore Airlines, its nearest competitor with 10 percent of the market. Qantas has lost about a quarter of its 40 percent-lead 10 years ago.

Jetstar Airways, Qantas\'s wholly-owned discount carrier, will take 10 787s, starting in August, 2008. The unit will have an interim fleet of four A330-200 aircraft as part of a plan that may see it start flying international routes as soon as next year.

The order is for a mix of 787-8 and 787-9 aircraft. The 787-9 model will enter operations in 2011 and will carry an additional 50 passengers.



To contact the reporter of this story:
Vesna Poljak in Sydney [email protected]
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looks like the 744's are here to stay for a while longer too. Or are QF to purchase more A380's?
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IMHO.... Qantas are taking some rather big risks with 2 unproven aircraft. First the A380 and now the 787..... Both I'm sure will be good aircraft eventually, but to order both before they have proved themselves is a risk best left to the Arab airlines and there big pockets.

The 777 would have been a better choice.... but then again I'm just a pilot.
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Praise The Lord

Boeing, Yahoo!!
Thank the big hairy guy in the sky that it wasn't the Bloody Hyundai of the Heavens.
AkA "Scarebus".
Do I see growth and promotion for everyone?
Lets bloody hope so.
Dixon can now retire to his pub..Early I hope.
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I'd love to know the details of the package. Particularly, whether or not the price includes a heavy maintenance pakage from boeing to do maintenance on the aircraft. It's a well accepted fact that the A380's will probably be maintained off-shore, due to the relatively small number of aircraft concerned I presume.


No announcement yet on whether an investment will be made to allow the 787 (and whatever other orders are made in the near future with regard to long haul) to be maintained in Australia.


Interesting times ahead for Engineers and Pilot's alike.
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Night Watch, Ansett was the first international customer for the B767. We bought an "unproven" aircraft. I watched Boeing build the first prototype and messed around with the mockup.

Only early problems I recall were:

(a)Nothing in manual about a restart above 20,000 ft or suchlike. The CF6-80A's had a habit of flaming out when put to flight idle at high altitude with very low temperatures. Simple FADEC software fix. One or two single engine landings was all that happened.

(b) Problems with No(?) bearing at the back of the LP turbine. A very fancy bearing. Not sure what the fix was.

(c) Problems with HM Supervisor who acted as wingtip walker one day resulting in very expensive collision between wingtip and hangar door.

One of the thngs about buying an "unproven" aircraft is that you get an "unproven" price.

Boeing will leverage a lot of sales from the fact that the great Qantas has ordered a few.
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Ansett had
Problems with
Trying to fit a third person in the cockpit.
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I think Night Watch is referring to the fact that we at CX have been launch customer or very close to it for a number of aircraft, namely the RR powered B744, Trent powered B773, A330 and the A346. All of these aircraft caused us problems in the early days, particularly the A330 where the whole fleet had to be grounded for at least 4 weeks while Airbus fixed the problems. Boeing's after sales service is second to none but Airbus frankly leaves a lot to be desired. This is why CX has gone for a proven albeit newer version of the Tripler. While I am sure the B787 will be a great aircraft like all Boeings, there are some still very big questions about how the fuselage, which is all composite will stand the ravages of time and how fatigue will be managed.
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Night Watch. It's interesting to note that they are relying on figures quoted for an aircraft that has yet to fly! Anyone remember the MD11?

Capn Bloggs. It just goes to prove that AN had some "weight" at Boeing back then! (tongue removed from cheek) Fancy getting them to "build in" something that wasn't designed in! Oh well, at least we had a choice over the forward cargo door sizes! DOH!
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